And with Tiger's release looming close, there will be a number of folks here
who have had to remain silent that will have plenty of tips to share on that
day.
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From: applescript-studio-bounces+tophu=email@hidden
[mailto:applescript-studio-bounces+tophu=email@hidden] On Behalf
Of S. Elliott
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:35 PM
To: Loek Jehee
Cc: Matt Neuburg; email@hidden
Subject: OT: Re: changes in AppleScript and/or AS Studio in Tiger
Loek,
Indeed, this list has both its more well-mannered folks and some that
could use some schooling in that area. Though the basic points that
were made earlier are sound: Apple is *very* strict regarding
discussion of non-released products, and they will even terminate one's
'expensive' membership if their policy of non-disclosure is breached.
We are bound to our developer agreements, as they are a contract.
That being said, I agree that it is in Apple's best interest to
disseminate development information so that as little software as
possible suffers the ill-effects of a major transition between large
releases. I struggled with this for 10.3/Panther's release, and
re-signed as a paid developer so that the people who depend on my
software wouldn't suffer bugs due to changes in 10.4/Tiger.
As well, being a developer with seed access (again, the 'expensive'
subscription) allows one to file bugs against unreleased products and
influence their development priorities.
It's a fact that you have to pay to play in this seed game, though
Apple makes it more affordable than many companies. Some development
programs I've seen start at US$1K with no 'free' programs to gain
access to SDK and API info such as those that many enjoy (i.e. -
Apple's 'online' developers).
Don't give up on this list; there's a lot of useful information that is
discussed openly here, and a great many of its contributors offer
without malice or spite. In spite of both of their flaws, both Apple's
development programs and this list are excellent in comparison to many
of their siblings elsewhere.
Best,
Steve Elliott
Babel Company
On Mar 29, 2005, at 8.51 am, Loek Jehee wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I thought I was asking just a normal question and did not expect to
> receive such (more or less) violent reactions, nor has it ever been
> my intention to solicit people into doing illegal actions. I didn't
> know
> that such specifications were restricted to the subscribers of the
> (expensive) memberships. I also find this disappointing. In my
> view it would be very beneficial for Mac development community
> if such specifications would be made more easily available. The
> Mac is largely based upon open source community software, isn't it?
> Why then such commercial and restricted programs? Anyhow,
> I guess this is off topic but I sure wanted to share my disappointment
> on this with you.
>
> Loek
>
> At 14:11 -0800 28-03-2005, Matt Neuburg wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:00:20 +0100, Loek Jehee <email@hidden>
>> said:
>>> Is there some documentation available on what precise
>>> changes in AppleScript and/or AppleScript Studio there will
>>> be made with the upcoming release of Tiger?
>>
>> Yes. And for anyone who knows about it to discuss it is illegal. In
>> fact,
>> soliciting people to discuss it with you is probably illegal. So,
>> take my
>> advice. Shut up. (This advice is meant in a nice way, of course. But
>> seeing
>> how Apple has taken to behaving lately, and considering what they've
>> said on
>> some of the other lists, I suggest you take it seriously.)
>>
>>> I am worrying if my ASStudio application will work in Tiger
>>> and wonder if there is any way in which I could check that
>>> now already. A list of changes might be very helpful.
>>
>> As Paul says, if you're that worried, buy yourself a membership so you
>> receive the beta seeds. Otherwise, you'll just have to suck it up
>> like the
>> rest of us and wait until Tiger goes public. m.
>>
>> --
>> matt neuburg, phd = email@hidden, <http://www.tidbits.com/matt/>
>> A fool + a tool + an autorelease pool = cool!
>> AppleScript: the Definitive Guide
>> <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596005571/somethingsbymatt>
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