On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Jack Small <email@hidden> wrote:
On May 25, 2008, at 8:04 AM, Michael Ash wrote:
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Jim Billmeyer <email@hidden>
wrote:
Is it possible to do Carbon development on the iPhone?
What I need is to create a window, setup an OpenGL context and
then poll for
events in between graphics updates. Porting the application to
Cocoa would
require trashing the applications kernel instead of simply
writing a thin
HAL layer.
Not 100% related to your original question, but can I ask why a
Cocoa
version would require trashing the application kernel? Cocoa is
perfectly capable of creating a window, setting up an OpenGL
context,
and polling for events. It is certainly better suited to
Hollywood-style "don't call us, we'll call you" framework usage, but
it's not particularly hard to use it in the manner you describe.
Your question is 0% related. Why would you go out of your way to
post this
in Carbon-Dev other than to provoke an argument?
Jeez, I was just trying to be helpful. It sounded like the guy had
some misconceptions about using Cocoa for this kind of work. It's
easier than you think. I figured I could give a bit of information
about that, which would then save him a whole lot of trouble later on
if he ultimately had to make the switch.
Every question posted on this list has the potential for an answer
using Cocoa.
"It's easier than you think." is precisely the kind of opinion best
kept off this list. You don't know anything about me.
So, my deepest and sincerest apologies for attempting to be helpful by
stepping outside the bounds of this mailing list. Next time I'll be
sure to stick to suggestions which, while useless, will not offend.
There is nothing deep or sincere about this statement at all. It is
glib and divisive.
I am saddened and physically ill over the red flags I see around me.
Many suggest I simply ignore it and move on, but for some of us a line
has been crossed that we can not follow. Everybody has an opinion
about Cocoa, but at this point none of them are really appropriate for
this list.
I sit down everyday and have many years of meaningful Carbon
development work ahead of me, regardless of what future steps Apple
takes, or any arguments people may make, or what names some want to
call me. This list is about the only place we can discuss it and even
here we are bombarded constantly by the NSIrresistibleCharms of
Cocoa. I don't know how it works on other lists, but I don't want to
end every thread with a discussion on the magnificence of Cocoa.
Oh, and by the way, thanks for trimming the quotes in the message to
make me look like an ass. I have repaired them above.
I trimmed the quotes because my intent was to answer the OPs question,
which was quite clear, and that is all. In fact I tried to make sure
my reply was not an attack but an honest question.
I am truly and humbly sorry to the Carbon-Dev list for replying to
your message instead of the OPs. This was my error, and it is one I
unfortunately can not undo. I have made an effort to try and leave it
off this list, and bite my tongue as more and more posts attempt to
sway me. Obviously I need to try harder.
I have often felt that the very existence of an alternative was
offensive to some Cocoa people, and it turns out my fears were
perfectly justified. Nobody would ever dare make a post in Cocoa-Dev
and say "Consider using Carbon." because it would be harpooned.
Nobody subscribed to this mailing list to learn about Cocoa.
More later,
Jack
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