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Re: No session about Carbon in WWDC


On Apr 8, 2008, at 5:44 PM, Jonas Maebe wrote:
:53, Tim McGaughy wrote: 
On Apr 8, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Jack Small wrote:

On Apr 8, 2008, at 12:01 PM, Tim McGaughy wrote:

I don't think it's really ever been a secret that Carbon was intended primarily as a bridge for OS9 apps to port to OS10.

That is absurd and inflammatory. It is revisionist history in every sense of the term.

No, it isn't. Back when OS10 was first introduced, Apple's developer pages kept suggesting that new projects be started using Cocoa rather than Carbon.

They backpedalled a lot on that over the years, and after a while started introducing all sorts of new and shiny Carbon APIs. Jobs even said at of the more recent WWDCs (in '06 in the context of announcing that both would get a 64 bit overhaul?) that Carbon and Cocoa were both first class citizens on Mac OS X.

Exactly. Many people believed Apple would eventually do what it did, and many of those people claim everyone should have known it and that Apple had made it clear all along, but this is simply not true. Apple definitely encouraged Cocoa development, but it wasn't until June of 2007 that they actually said they were officially reducing the resources invested in Carbon in favor of Cocoa, and that effectively, Carbon had no future. They clearly lied to us prior to that. Apparently there are those who believe they didn't really lie to us because we should have known they were lying to us. I don't accept that logic.

It is my opinion that they led Carbon developers on so they'd have enough Carbon software to make Mac OS X viable until enough Cocoa developers were on board that Carbon developers could be cut off. I am absolutely confident in saying that had Apple told us all along that Carbon would eventually cease to be supported that many products would never have made it to Mac OS X.

Frankly, if I'd known seven years ago what I know now, mine would have been one of them. I'd have found a completely different line of work rather than spend endless months working every waking hour to port and "transition," only to be told the end result has no long term future. Why in the hell did they think I was willing to go through that? I was willing to do all that work because I thought the result would be something that provided a solid basis for future development. Thanks, Steve. Thanks, Bertrand.

Larry

I see a cartoon. In this cartoon is Steve Jobs standing right up against the back of a Carbon developer who is bent over at the waist with his pants down, with a caption that says "Don't pick up the Carbon."
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