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Re: Accuracy of Instruments




Wait a minute: "In all probability"? The "expert eye"? And "I guess"? And when we say the profiles will be "different," which is possible, of course, will one of them be "worse," and how do we define that? As has already been noted, it's not so easy to say which instrument is more "correct." We have other, sometimes very noticeable differences caused by things like choice of algorithms used by profiling software. My Profilemaker profile will be different from my profile made in PrintOpen, quite visibly different, but if you ask me which is "better" I would have to know what you mean by "better." In one case one I may prefer one to the other.

I'm trying also to think of a scenario where the same set of eyes needs to make exactly matching profiles with two different instruments. If there are, say, identical proofers in different locales profiled and/or linearized by two different instruments and are each tasked with matching a common reference, well, that sounds like one of the few possible examples. But then one has to ask, will those proofs ever be placed side by side, looked at by the same observe, an how "identical" do they need to be? When will this happen in practice? And if it ever does, what are all the factors besides our instruments that frustrate our attempts at perfection, things like ambient temperatures and humidity in the prepress areas, always having paper and ink from the same batch number, and how do these variances stack up against the difference between, say, the two DTP70s used to linearize the printers? And those other factors do create both agreement AND repeatability issues that will exist independently of our measurement errors. And again, let's remember that the reference itself is the "typical" SWOP or sheetfed press, or a given press on a "typical" day (assuming the profile was made correctly). So at the end of all this, the question is, are our instruments good enough, what do we mean by that, and how do we know?

Mike Strickler wrote:

there is
inevitably a point at which increasing an instrument's accuracy becomes
statistically meaningless. (To give a crude example, you don't need a
micrometer to frame a house.) Perhaps this can be approached
empirically: Can anyone demonstrate a noticeable and objectionable
variability in printed color that can be traced to the performance of
any recent model of spectrophotometer that has passed its manufacturer's
certification process?

Of course one can: Take two new spectros (different models), create two
profiles for the same printer and compare the results. In all
probability an expert eye will notice /considerable/ differences between
the results at first go. Repeat the procedure with one of the spectros.
In all probability no one will notice differences between the two
profiles measured with the same instrument. That's what Terry was
talking about: Repeatability is not the Problem, but inter-instrument
agreement is. An I guess it's playing in the same order of magnitude
than inter-observer differences.


The example conforms with the results of several
inter-instrument-agreement-tests, e.g. performed by the University of
Wuppertal/Germany.

Their conclusion: inter-instrument differences are a significant Factor
in colormanagement-based process control, see e.g.
<http://www.digitalproof-forum.de/rueckblick/ergebnisse04.php> (German).


Klaus


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