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Re: Apple Reorganizes Open Source Web Presence

On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 06:07 , Ben Hines wrote:

I hope that this - http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/bugs.html - is not the new bug reporter you were talking about.

1. The bugzilla interface is *AWFUL*. Always has been. Just about anything is better.
That ---> http://opendarwin.org/bugzilla/query.cgi is the most confusing GUI i've ever seen. Ever. Where do you start with that?

I've been pretty involved with FreeBSD.org's ongoing search for a better bug tracking system since day one and I have to say that if you think bugzilla is so bad and "just about anything is better" then chances are excellent that you've never spent any time working with and managing "anything else" :-) I've used GNATs (which FreeBSD.org continues to use out of inertia but certainly not affection) and I've used Keystone and I've looked at Jitterbug and Scarab too - all fall short of the desired holy grail of "easy to use, powerful, open source solution without commercial strings attached."

If you have more specific information on a system which can fulfill our needs, by all means please provide us with a detailed description of where to get it, why you like it and, if possible, a list of other projects who are using it so that we can go take a look at it in action vs being forced to evaluated it on a purely hypothetical basis. Nothing is set in stone here and we're not irreversibly wedded to Bugzilla, it was simply our first choice.

2. We now have lost any semblance of synchronization with apple's internal darwin bug reporting. All old bugs are no longer viewable. We don't get to see apple engineer's comments on the bugs anymore.

As Ron has already pointed out, this was actually lost some time ago and OpenDarwin's allowing open source folks to track their own bugs is certainly no worse than the nothing we have now. Access to Apple's internal bug tracking information was a luxury which is never likely to be regained.

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Jordan K. Hubbard
Engineering Manager, BSD technology group
Apple Computer
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