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Re: 1.4.1 woes

On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 02:48 AM, Niels Peter Strandberg wrote:

On lxrdag, nov 16, 2002, at 17:43 Europe/Copenhagen, Sibastien Stormacq wrote:

Due to the NDA you agreed on when downloading 1.4.1, you can't discuss 1.4 issues on this public mailing list.
You should post your questions to the java-seed list instead

Is Apple communist china????

Nope. They are strictly a capitalist organization with responsibilities. One of those is keeping some information close to their chest until they, not you or me, decide it is time to release it.

It like saying "Eat this pil" it might make you sick, but you are not allowed to warn others, that this pil will give you problems! You just has eat it to find out!

Nonsense. The VM is under NDA.

EVERYONE who has access to it can sign up to the unmoderated seed list where discussion can happen. Given the existence and support of an unmoderated discussion forum, I believe that there is no compelling moral, ethical, or legal reason to break the NDA by discussing it outside same. It does not cost anything to join, and there are no membership restrictions beyond being of legal age and having signed the NDA.

If you have questions regarding how it functions, download it and wait to install until after you have verified critical functionality on the seed list. It is, after all, seed software and just might break something.

Apple - grow up!!!!!

They have. Two years ago, offhand comments by engineers on this list made it to Maccentral. As a result, Apple has gotten a lot more careful about what they say on open lists.

They can say things on a closed list, like "it is not done yet" or "we are considering removing functionality", and people can respond freely without worrying that their opinions are going to become press releases. If they change their mind, then it can be done without becoming a Change in Corporate Direction, leading to Investment Uncertainty and Angry Users.

If this is too much secrecy, wait until it is released, and pretend that it was not seeded to anyone. Personally, I am quite pleased that they have put several DPs out where any developer can get them, and a discussion forum for commentary. It implies to me that they want larger scale testing and validation than seeding to a few select folk could have given them, and is a much better system than they have for OS seeds where you try them in isolation with no mechanism to talk to others about experiences.

Scott
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