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Re: 1.4.1 woes

Sibastien Stormacq wrote:
|Due to the NDA you agreed on when downloading 1.4.1, you can't discuss
|1.4 issues on this public mailing list. You should post your questions
|to the java-seed list instead

Niels Peter Strandberg wrote:
|Is Apple communist china???? It like saying "Eat this pil" it might
|make you sick, but you are not allowed to warn others, that this pil
|will give you problems! You just has eat it to find out!

No, it's not. To use your analogy, it's like saying "Here's a pill. Based on preliminary testing, we believe it's a cure for Gates' Syndrome. Only preliminary testing has been done, so there may be severe side effects we haven't yet discovered. Take it or not as you choose." Indeed, the very words you use indicate this: 'It like saying "Eat this pil" it might make you sick'. What more warning do you need than "it might make you sick"?

Furthermore, given that you *do* know that "it might make you sick" before you even *get* the pill, it is *quite* possible to ask others who have already "taken the pill" what sort of side effects there might be without actually popping it into your mouth, or to just listen in as others discuss what ills they've suffered as a result. Each step of the process is wholly voluntary, and there are plenty of "danger ahead" warnings. (Even the requirement of not discussing the preview in a public forum--which java-dev is--is made clear up front.) Downloading the preview does *not* automatically install it. You could have downloaded it, gotten on to the NDA'd mailing list, and asked there "has anyone had problems with technology X?" before ever starting the installer. (I suggest that very approach to people who are hesitant about trying 1.4.)

And, yes, you *are* allowed to tell others that the pill may give you problems. Apple *itself* is telling people that. What you are *not* allowed to do is to tell people who have not *also* agreed to the NDA--not "people who have not already installed 1.4", but "people who have not already agreed to the NDA"--details of those problems. I fail to see how that's an unreasonable restriction. Would you prefer the only other way Apple could limit public discussion: not releasing the preview at all?

No one is forcing you to use the new release. If you don't want to take the risks associated with using alpha and beta software, then don't use it. If you don't like the NDA, then don't agree to it, and (again) don't use the software. But don't agree to the NDA, install the software, run into the (expected) problems, and *then* complain that, by not allowing public discussion of those problems, Apple is being tyrannical. They're not. They're simply insisting that you keep a promise that you made freely and uncoerced. If you regard being expected to keep a bargain as tyranny, remind me not to make any bargains with you.

Glen Fisher
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