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Re: Separate Mailing List for JDK 1.4.1 DP2

On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 01:44 PM, Greg Guerin wrote:

email@hidden wrote on the open Java-Dev list:

Downloading the software is supposed to cause e-mail to be sent to you about joining the list. If you did the download yesterday or today, it's probably not due yet. (The e-mail is apparently sent by an overnight batch job.)

The other prerequisite, as Allen Denison stated, is that at least one of
the "Send me broadcast emails" must be enabled or you won't receive the "invitation" email.

I'm afraid this is a really clunky arrangement, and Apple should fix it.
The main consequence of not receiving the "invitation" email is that people will inevitably discuss the NDA'ed prerelease on this (open) list.

There is one good argument for the arrangement they have - the current Apple mailing list software may be set up to allow either "open subscription" or to allow "subscribe via invite to strange URL" If they do not have the "subscribe based on list" option available, then it would require some appropriate hackery, and conusmerate time, to make it come into being. I cannot think of an outstanding task I would rather the Java team drop in favor of mailing list software updates.

That said, file a bug. Perhaps if we all file "Java seed list signup is really clunky - why cannot we match against those who have NDAs", dts will harrass the mailing list group to make it happen.

Similarly, if you are not happy with the current archive (ooooo - mee, pick meeeeeeee), then file specific bugs against that. Good bugs would include the search string you tried, the results you expected, and the results you got. They use these bugs to determine what developers want - by GOD lets tell them. (Of course, if you file a bug for something you don't want, it takes time away from fixing what you do.)

Recent contact with the Apple folks makes me a believer in filing bugs. Damn near anything we, as developers, want might happen if only enough bugs get filed.

Scott
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