Re: How to get Java 1.6

Subject: Re: How to get Java 1.6

From: "M. David Minnigerode" <email@hidden>

Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:31:53 -0500

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On Oct 27, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Chris Woods wrote:

I understand this and agree with you. The point I was trying to make is that desktop Java doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Try to step back a bit from your specific situation and look at the entire software industry. There is _almost no_ desktop Java. Again, there are a few notable exceptions: LimeWire, Runescape (an applet!!), Azureus, the Java IDE's, and apparently some trading applications.

Having said that, I truly _like_ Swing. I like Java, and I want 1.6 on my Mac too. I wish I could make a living writing Java apps on my Mac. I hate doing web apps with the passion of the burning sun... but that's where the paycheck is.

Naailed It!

My current employer is phasing out our java desktop app (my product) in favor of a web based app (JSF, etc). Can't really argue with the decision though. Java Desktop apps are in a strange place... Not native enough to take over from .net/cocoa/qt/etc... and not light enough to do what a web app does. In our market (banks, airlines etc) jnlp is a non-starter (don't ask)... A web app is what the customer expects and now with ajaxy/web2.0y stuff they can get close enough to the java desktop that swing is not even on the table any more.

It's all very sad...

But java is alive and well on the server and apple would be >crazy< to drop support for it. Heck even dropping desktop support would be an obviously bad idea. I don't have any stats but I'd suspect there are far/far more swing devs using osx than cocoa devs. If apple dropped swing support they'd lose a ton of developers (who would no longer be woo'able to cocoa). Ain't going to happen.

Now it would be a very, very good idea for apple to be less cagey about stuff like this. But you could say that about a lot of their developer relations.

dave

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