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Re: Steve Jobs' Statements About Java Of Leopard Launch



I thought it was generally accepted that Steve Job's comments were referring to Java *applets* as called from a browser (in this case Safari) and not Java *applications* which do not need a browser to run and are indeed supported on many mobile phones.

Steve

On 31 Oct 2007, at 15:15, Story Henry wrote:


On 31 Oct 2007, at 14:41, Paul Watson wrote:
I'm sorry but in that context he is NOT correct. Motorola, SonyEricson,
Samsung and Research in Motion (Blackberry) are just 4 examples off the
top of my head of manufacturers that support Java for their phones. I
think Nokia does too and between all those manufacturers that's just
about every cell phone company in the market.

And not only that, but there is a Java Virtual Machine built for the chip in
the iPhone named Jazelle that is extreemly efficient and fast, as I blogged here:


http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/java_on_the_iphone

So quite the opposite of the "ball and chain". Perhaps what bothers Steve is that
it is very difficult to tie balls and chains on Java Developers. The only way to do
it, is to do an excellent job. Tie us in with quality, love and friendship
and we won't be able to leave!



If Apple wants developers to stick around they need to treat them like
human beings, not like competitors. If they invent some great new MP3
player with a built in jetpack, hey, that's something worth keeping a
secret. But to keep the future of a programming language on their OS a
secret... that's just rude. A simple "We couldn't get J6 done in time
for release but it's coming" is all they would have to do to shut up
many of the people complaining here. Acknowledge the fact that we
exist, answer the one simple question we have and then they can go back
to the information spy game they love so much.


Paul Watson, Analyst Programmer
Ranger Data Technologies, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Christopher Woods
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:53 AM
To: Java Developers' List
Subject: Re: Steve Jobs' Statements About Java Of Leopard Launch

On Oct 31, 2007, at 1:53 AM, David Voo wrote:

Well, if Java is not anymore been using? I don't think so. Check this
article out, there are more java developers out there than Cocoa or
Carbon i guess.


http://java.sys-con.com/read/452558.htm



Don't cite JDJ as a reliable source of information. It's utter garbage. Also, don't start the "waaah Java 6" drama again. It's garbage too.

To illustrate the point that JDJ is garbage: Jobs' comment about
"nobody uses Java" was in the context of an interviewer asking him why
Safari on the iPhone doesn't support applets. In that context, he's
absolutely correct. Anybody who cites that as some sort of evidence
that Apple is dropping Java needs to find a different career...
perhaps in politics.


Stick around. Leopard will see Java 6, and I suspect in fairly short
order.

--
Chris Woods
email@hidden
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