So then you should just be able to collapse the services onto a
single server that runs multiple services.
Not having a VM solution is hurting Apple, or will eventually.
Not as much. This isn't Windows where you run multiple servers
because you can barely keep any given server up so you spread them
out so you can still have a server that works.
-dhan
Dan, with deepest respect, sir, have you ever done Virtualization?
Yeah, I was there for the last big VM party. It seems it takes the
microprocessor crowd about 20 years to re-invent everything that was
invented before in computer sciences.
Do you know how incredibly convenient it is to have an entire
server in a folder? One that you can tweak, copy to a different
box, throw on a hard drive and toss it on a shelf, ready to re-
deploy in a moment?
Yes, I do.
However you can get all this (containers) w/o virtualization so if
that's your goal, then there's no need for a complex solution to a
trival non-problem.
How wonderful it is to throw together a "sandbox" server that you
can try some new product in, without touching anything else?
Yes, but is it wise to create your sandbox alongside your production
sandboxes? No. Use a different machine. Even though it may be
sandboxed it does have impact. It uses resources.
And it if works, you copy it to a production VM server box and
you're off to the races. Having lived this way...I have no desire
to go back.
Again, this can all be done -- building nice little systems in nice
little sandboxes using nice little containers for files that are easy
to move around -- w/o VM. This was what VM users discovered in the
past. That the VM was a lot of extra baggage when you might not need it.
So then you should just be able to collapse the services onto a
single server that runs multiple services.
That what I've done for years...what we've all done...that's really
the essence of OS X server in it's present incarnation. But I'm
tired of living that way....tired of the fear that comes with any
new service or product that I want to try, the fear that it's going
to take my perfectly tuned production server and pooch it.
And the same problem you'll have but in a different way when you add
that untuned pig VM instance to the rest of it's VM brethren.
I don't have to live that way anymore......and I like it. And it
means I spend less time screwing around with servers....I like that
even more.
I am quite sure that even now you composing a vigorous reply,
casting aspersions on my abilties as a sysadmin, asserting that I
am a lesser man for not wanting to do it the old way.
Well the old way would be using VM. Oh, you mean the "new" VMs.
Whatever. I suspect I'm not alone in my assessment. Apple is behind
in this area....and it will hurt them in the long run.
Perhaps. Perhaps the enterprise market was never theirs so it won't
impact them too. Time will tell but I'm sure this will be far from
the list of Apple's great mistrakes.
