Re: US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#800113

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Jose Hales-Garcia <email@hidden> wrote:

On Jul 25, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Angus Fox wrote:

It's such a big hit because the reason for buying mac OSx server in the first place was to have an apple supported unix based server OS that can blend the advantages of the GUI and a standard supported set of unix tools together so as specifically to not have to deal with special builds of components that then become unmaintainable.

These are worthy goals of any vendor, especially Apple, given its tradition with ease of use. Ease of use on the server product should be more than GUI niceties too. It should encompass a shift in philosophy which includes transparency, communication and honesty.

What a refreshing change it would be to hear from Apple engineering on this list. Or know what Apple's road-map for server is in advance. The secrecy and marketing hype are just making for a public relations mess regarding server.

Unfortunately, I don't think boycotting Xserves in protest will make a difference. The server slice of Apple's revenue pie is too small compared to its consumer product categories.

Jose
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I think that is exactly apples issue with server as a whole. There is probably a small group at Apple who are championing for it, but looking at their enterprise sales (and their enterprise sales team) they can't justify the resources vs something like the iPhone. Which is why we see Podcast Producer 2 as a much touted feature of Snow Leopard.

Why? Because it solves a big enough problem (how to rapidly create podcasts) but has the simplest sales presentation ("everyone has an ipod, be able to provide a college lecture on a podcast for an ipod within N hours of lecture finishing") that sells LOTs of xserves, storage, xsan, consultation, etc. But as a piece of software, it is a mutant automator workflow. But Hey! it sells xserves, and it doesn't require Apple to provide a searchable bug tracking system, a real SLA, full documentation on software updates, hardware warranties past 3 years, or a public product lifecycle timeline.

It would be nice if they realized that we (sysadmins) don't care about Podcast Producer as much as "what will you guys change to xsan, xgrid, storage, workflows, IP handling, AD integration" all of which Podcast Producer relies on, and which at some point we will probably have to fix.

I'll be in my Angry Dome if anyone needs me.

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Chris Barker
Purveyor of Fine Suggestions
ACSA

References:
	>Re: US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#800113 (From: "John C. Welch" <email@hidden>)
	>Re: US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#800113 (From: Jaime Magiera <email@hidden>)
	>Re: US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#800113 (From: Angus Fox <email@hidden>)
	>Re: US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#800113 (From: Jose Hales-Garcia <email@hidden>)