On 25/11/2009, at 11:13 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:
> On 2009-11-24, at 3:39 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote:
>
>> On 25/11/2009, at 8:20 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:
>>
>>> This is funny; however, from our experience, Apple does actually listen to us, and showing them an "i don't care" attitude will most likely result in us being stuck with 5.4.3 & Wonder, and Apple keeping WebObjects to themselves,
>>
>> This makes no sense to me. If they[1] *did* listen[2] then they'd have released WO 5.4.3.1 and 5.5 by now because that's what people have been asking about for quite some time. In fact, they tested the waters with quasi nightly builds ... but internal politics has seen the end of that.
>
> Maybe they don't want to throw the new versions in front of a whole bunch of "angry lions". We all know about "internal politics", but realize that these are driven by people just you and me. IMHO, it is not always about the money, but also about people's emotions. If Apple's staff does like our tone, then why would they release new versions?
I know[1] Apple's staff wanted to release the nightlies... and I'm not talking about intuition here.
>>> and we'll never be synchronized with the latest and greatest Apple versions again, because we think we can all do it on our own. Very smart.
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>> The community has arisen in response to Apple pulling back (e.g., Entity Modeler was written because of Apple's decision to pull the tools). You've got it backwards I'm afraid.
>
> Not really, IMHO, Apple is now recognizing the great contributions from the community, which might be better than their own. Eclipse/EM seemed an obvious progression; so why stand in the way?
You're just not providing a true picture of history. Xcode was the predominant dev tools for WO until Apple dropped it... and then the masses looked for an alternative and got behind WOLips. Sure, the WOLips tools were around beforehand but were in no way in a ready state for the masses. That's all since changed...
with regards,
--
Lachlan Deck
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