>>>> The community has arisen in response to Apple pulling back (e.g., Entity Modeler was written because of Apple's decision to pull the tools). You've got it backwards I'm afraid.
>>> Not really, IMHO, Apple is now recognizing the great contributions from the community, which might be better than their own. Eclipse/EM seemed an obvious progression; so why stand in the way?
>> You're just not providing a true picture of history. Xcode was the predominant dev tools for WO until Apple dropped it... and then the masses looked for an alternative and got behind WOLips. Sure, the WOLips tools were around beforehand but were in no way in a ready state for the masses. That's all since changed...
>> with regards,
>> Lachlan Deck
> Talking about history; we have been using WebObjects since 1998. The point is that Apple did not want to stand in the way of something better suited. In their opinion, at that time, the WOLips tools WERE ready for the masses, as Apple had already been using them internally for a couple of years prior to that.
That's just not quite the reality of what went down. WOLips existed, yes, and quite a few of us preferred it (including several people inside of Apple, yes), but we didn't have any replacement for EOModeler at that point. About a month before WWDC the year Apple announced they were dropping the dev tools, I received a call from an Apple engineer who suggested that I should maybe more seriously consider following through on my previous discussions about making a replacement for EOModeler based on Eclipse/WOLips, because the dev tools would no longer work on Leopard after the Java bridge was dropped. The decision to drop the tools was a foregone conclusion of dropping the bridge, and Apple apparently didn't have the desire to make new ones, which meant that the REALITY was that there simply wasn't ANY answer at the time for what was going to be announced. If you go back in svn history, you'll see quite a frantic thrashing of commits going from nothing to a limping Entity Modeler in the span of about a month. The Entity Modeler that was shown that year was literally built the morning of the session to make "add relationship" work. So I don't think Apple got out of the way to gracefully bow out to the better open source competitor (though i like to think we BECAME the better open source competitor in many ways), rather they killed the WO tools by way of a series of cascading decisions and didn't really care about making a replacement.
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