On Mon, Aug 13, 2007, Ben Byer wrote:
>On Aug 11, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Adam D. I. Kramer wrote:
>>A good solution would be for X11 to check when the clipboard was
>>filled...and if X11 has been the front app since then, to not fill
>>the X11
>>clipboard with the Aqua clipboard when switching from an Aqua app to
>>X11.
>
>... this I like. Basically, keep the most recent clipboard item.
>
>>Another solution would be to tie the X11 clipboard to the Aqua
>>clipboard...so the Aqua clipboard would be filled with X11 goodness
>>on a
>>select in X11, instead of requiring the user to press command-C. I
>>can see
>>the appeal of two clipboards (one within X11 and one within Aqua),
>>but the
>>notion of storing the Aqua clipboard while still clicking and
>>pasting around
>>in X11 does seem kind of inelegant...and the "select is copy when
>>you're in
>>X11" rule is very likely intuitive for those who use X11 a fair
>>amount; new
>>users of X11 who do so under Mac OSX would probably figure it out
>>pretty
>>quickly anyway.
>
>Ok, but you're not talking about the X11 clipboard, you're talking
>about the X11 PRIMARY selection, which is something completely
>different :(
>
>I'm glad to see so much enthusiasm here -- it's clear that copy &
>paste issues are the #1 usability concern with X11.app.
>
>It's also clear to me that
>1) X11.app has some specific rules for copy and paste logic that are
>not always intuitive or even correct. When should data be
>transferred from one of the X11 buffers to the Aqua pasteboard? And
>vice versa?
>2) X11.app does not always successfully transfer data between Aqua and
>X11, even when it tries to
>
>#2 is something that we (Apple) will have to work on, but it seems
>like a good time to discuss #1. Anything we can do to create
>consensus will help me make sure this is implemented correctly.
My $0.02 is that whatever was last selected should always be what
is pasted whether it was selected in X11 or Aqua. I would really
like to be able to simply select with the left button in X11, and
have that available in Aqua without having to do cmd-c (for that
matter I would like Aqua to behave like traditional X11 without
having to do the cmd-c/cmd-v or edit->copy/edit-paste nonsense
(it's bad enough having only one button on my Powerbook most of
the time and using two hands to emulate the middle and right
mouse buttons -- I would really love a ThinkPad keyboard and
eraser mouse).
Bill
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