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Re: Eliminating the xterm

I agree - X isn't an 'Application' per se, so much as a means of
running applications. Personally I think a better UI solution might be
to set LSUIElement to true, and not have X11 appear in the Dock at
all. Instead, perhaps a MenuBar item, where we could get basic
feedback to see if the X server is running (light grey == not
launched, dark grey == running) and have the shortcut menu to X
applications and settings available by clicking the icon. Am I alone
in thinking this might be a more consistent interface?

I don't think eliminating X11 from the dock completely is a good idea... especially since we should have SOME dock item to represent these windows.

I do, however, like the idea of the menu bar item... it sounds a bit like the way OS9 Classic worked on OSX before leopard.
While X is not running, the greyed-out menubar icon could give the X11 Applications menu to allow users to pick an application to run. That would eliminate the double X11 icon issue in the dock since people would not need to keep /A/U/X11.app around. I don't have experience with Menu Bar icons, but I imagine it could be done without even touching xserver or quartz-wm.

Another option to consider would be to create ~/Applications/X11/*.app for each item in the Applications menu. This would allow the user to launch any of the Applications in that menu from the dock but still wouldn't "feel right" since the windows would be in X11 rather than the launcher (which is the case right now for /A/U/X11.app anyways). We could probably make this "feel right" by doing some kind of clever communication between Xquartz/quartz-wm and the launcher to allow the launcher to keep track of what window IDs it spawned and have subsequent clicks on the launcher raise those windows. Additionally, closing those windows would require a signal from quartz-wm/Xquartz back to the launcer to exit. This has some usability concerns though. While it might work great for something like gimp or OpenOffice, it doesn't work so well with multiple xterm windows.

Perhaps this might be an avenue to investigate once all the more pressing bugs get sorted out.

--Jeremy
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 >Re: Eliminating the xterm (From: Ben Byer <email@hidden>)
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 >Re: Eliminating the xterm (From: "Don Kalar" <email@hidden>)



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