On 11/20/04 10:30 PM, Ian Anderson didst favor us with:
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> On Nov 20, 2004, at 1:50 PM, Bryan Pietrzak wrote:
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>>
>> On Nov 20, 2004, at 1:06 PM, Cianflone, Chris wrote:
>>
>>> Of course, it is amazing that in 10.3 there is still no support for
>>> setting tab order directly! Might some of this have to do with the
>>> following docu on HIViewAdvanceFocus() and AdvanceKeyboardFocus().
>>> These comments almost lead you to believe that we shouldn't be
>>> setting the tab order at all, and letting the system handle it. Of
>>> course, the focus system currently does NOT seem to work this way.
>>> We have all seen that it depends on the order the items are created
>>> in the window. And even if the focus system could advance focus "to
>>> the next most appropriate view" correctly, surely there would be
>>> cases where you would want to override that behavior, and you should
>>> be able to set that all up in IB.
>>
>> Generally speaking, I don't think there is much of a need for setting
>> tab order directly. And I've done some pretty complex dialogs in the
>> past.
>>
>> The only "problem" as I see it is the inept IB. In the old days it was
>> easy to renumber/reorder dialog items in Resourcerer.
>>
>> So, I'd say the "amazing" thing is that IB is still so bad at this.
>>
>> Bryan (one more person that edits XML directly)
>
> Yeah you definitely want Bring to Front and Send To Back. It takes a
> little messing with but if you look at your nib's instances in list
> view, it'll become clear. Don't cut and paste stuff, that's definitely
> the hard way.
Every way is a hard way in my opinion with the current IB. I could have
sworn I tried Bring to Front and Send To Back and didn't see any difference
in the tab order. If it had I would have modified IB to add keyboard
shortcuts for those commands and life would have been much simpler.
I didn't think about editing the XML, but even if I had, that's a big
disconnect from my visual layout and if a window has lots of items in it, it
seems like you could spend a lot of time searching for the next item to move
up the list.
Larry
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