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Re: Official statements on the future of Carbon (Re: NewGWorld...)




On Jun 27, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Peter Duniho wrote:

On Jun 27, 2007, at 2:05 AM, Uli Kusterer wrote:
On 27.06.2007, at 10:01, Peter Duniho wrote:
Can you please elaborate on the comment that Apple is "now effectively end-of-life-ing Carbon"?

Read the archives of this list. Especially the thread about 64- bit Carbon.

All due respect, I'm not looking for a treasure hunt.

With all due respect, what you seek does not concern Apple. ;-)

I have already spent some time with Google and the mailing list searches, and did not find what I was looking for. I'm looking for some definitive statement from Apple regarding the future of Carbon.

And I'd like for someone to give me a million dollars. Get used to disappointment. What you want or are seeking aside, Apple is being pretty much silent on the long term future of Carbon, and historically you can't trust everything they say anyway. It seems you can believe anything they say to the effect that Carbon support will decrease, and anything else is a crap shoot. They said Carbon was a "first-class citizen," and then starting about a year ago or so they changed that to say that new features would be available in Cocoa and Carbon applications could implement them using Cocoa. They said at WWDC 2006 that there would be 64-bit support for Carbon. They actually implemented that, but then engineering management decided to pull the parts that are unique to Carbon applications (the HIToolbox UI parts), which makes it makes it impossible to write a Carbon GUI 64-bit application.


Apple has not deprecated any parts of Carbon other than old technology like QuickDraw. It's unlikely Apple will cease to support Carbon seriously for some time to come because so many applications still use it, such as everything from Microsoft and Adobe, and neither of those companies is going to rewrite huge code bases any time soon to switch to Cocoa. However, Apple has said that Cocoa is where they will be focusing their engineering efforts in the future and I think you can take that to the bank.

In short, there is no road map for Carbon. There's only an decreasing amount of engineering resources expended on it. It's that downward trend that people have extrapolated to mean that Carbon's useful lifetime now has an expiration date on it.

<http://www.carbondev.com/site/?page=64-bit+Carbon> has a pretty nice summary.

It does seem like a nice summary of some messages on this mailing list. But it doesn't really answer my question.

That's because there *is* no definitive answer. People have pointed you to the best information available, which is largely more speculation than information at this point. The greater the extent to which Apple is silent on this (and any other) issue, the more flexibility they have in their planning without reneging on past statements the way they did regarding 64-bit support.


Larry
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