On Jun 27, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Laurence Harris wrote:
All due respect, I'm not looking for a treasure hunt.
With all due respect, what you seek does not concern Apple. ;-)
I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean.
Apple's position is: Use Cocoa. They don't want you to think about it
or weigh the advantages of Carbon versus Cocoa. They want to stop
expending resources on Carbon so they aren't duplicating efforts for
Carbon and Cocoa, and as a part of that they want everyone to use
Cocoa. So I don't think they feel any pressure to lay out a detailed
Carbon road map. They may even be very content to leave people to
their speculations since people's speculations could push them to
drop Carbon even faster than reality.
I have already spent some time with Google and the mailing list
searches, and did not find what I was looking for. I'm looking
for some definitive statement from Apple regarding the future of
Carbon.
And I'd like for someone to give me a million dollars. Get used to
disappointment.
Goodness. I'd thought that people had grown up enough to be able
to avoid unwarranted hostility (however veiled) of this sort. I
remember the "good old days" when any question in any public forum
was an invitation to disdainful replies. But I'd thought
communities had matured to a point where that didn't happen very
often any more.
Any hostility is not directed at you. I think what you want is very
reasonable, and I think it's not much more likely than someone giving
me a million dollars. I'm not happy that Apple is slowly emaciating
Carbon, and I'm even less happy that they have reversed themselves on
64-bit support without even telling developers about it when they
made the decision. Even WWDC attendees were hurt by Apple waiting
until WWDC to announce this.
Why the sarcasm? I asked a simple enough question. It doesn't
warrant anything other than a simple, friendly answer. No need to
falsely imply that I'm somehow not used to, or am unprepared for,
disappointment.
Actually, several people gave you the best answer available and you
basically said you weren't "looking for a treasure hunt" and that
those answers weren't good enough for you.
It does seem like a nice summary of some messages on this mailing
list. But it doesn't really answer my question.
That's because there *is* no definitive answer. People have
pointed you to the best information available, which is largely
more speculation than information at this point.
Actually, at the point in time at which I posted the message you're
quoting, no one had yet said simply "Apple has not revealed this
information".
While he didn't explicitly say that, if you read between the lines of
Uli's comment it's a reasonable conclusion:
"Read the archives of this list. Especially the thread about 64-bit
Carbon. There have also been several blog postings summarizing what's
happening and some Apple engineers have publicly commented. I'm not
going to go any deeper because 1) Pretty much everything has been
said on this list and 2) I don't want to say stuff I'm not supposed
to due to NDA."
Given what he said a more respectful response than "All due respect,
I'm not looking for a treasure hunt." was in order IMO.
Larry
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