On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Edwards, Waverly wrote:
This [OT] thread now has 100 messages in it and has gone astray
from the
the original [OT] discussion.
Although there are many interesting opinions and comments, I'd like to
reel this back into Mac OS X development topics.
If you have any questions or concerns about the direction of Carbon
and
Cocoa, or their representation at WWDC, please email me directly.
Thanks,
Deric Horn
Mac OS X Application Technologies Evangelist Apple Worldwide Developer
Relations email@hidden
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I don't see this as being off topic. By taking this discussion
offline,
the voice of the developer goes unheard. These offline discussion can
go into the round file at anytime but a live discussion or debate
helps
Apple see what developers are really struggling with.
I agree there can be value in public discussions of these topics. Not
because I believe that's how Apple gets important feedback, but
because it gives those of us with more limited experience an
opportunity to hear a variety of perspectives. That's almost always a
good thing.
That said, Deric didn't ask us to take the discussion offline in a
way that would exclude Apple from hearing our concerns. Quite the
contrary. He asked that you share them with him directly, and as I
understand his job title (long though it may be), he's an appropriate
person to hear these concerns. If they go into *his* bit bucket,
well, discussing them here probably isn't going to be any more
effective. ;-)
I realize as a
company you have to make decisions that are best for the company
but if
those decisions don't involve (us) the customers, you may be hurting
yourselves and us. We are your customers, whether you know it or not.
People love their Macintoshes and wouldn't dream of moving to Windows.
However, what really keeps that afloat... the developers. The topic
while not related directly to the core purpose of the forum is really
where many of the developers who use carbon and have issue are. If
you
remove topic there will be silence where there should be done. It may
be politically expedient to silence the masses but the ripple effect
will still be the same.
I don't think he's trying to silence the masses. Given the number of
people probably subscribed to this list, the masses are probably just
quietly following the discussion, not contributing. I assume he's
just trying to rein in an off-topic discussion that's gone on for a
while now. However, this thread isn't really preempting any other
discussions and there doesn't even seem to be much other traffic at
the moment, so it probably won't hurt anything if it's just allowed
to run out of steam, as they always do. ;-)
Making Objective-C the only interface, which is where it looks like
were
are heading is language genocide, not standardization. It also
creates
a language desert. As for example, there have been an increase in
non-carbon examples, which lead you believe there really is only one
interface to that technology. If you create a language desert, the
base
of developers is going to dry up.
Whether you or I like it or not, I find it unlikely that the base of
developers will dry up. It may change a bit in its makeup, and there
will probably be fewer, but dry up? Not likely.
Larry
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