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We have been running Scholastic Reading Counts and SRI for two years under WGM and MM in 18 buildings. We just received the native OS X version (the past version runs in Classic). We should have the new version up and running by the end of the week. We just need to work out a few preferences issues. Would you like a copy of our documentation? Sue Message: 7 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:48:34 -0700 From: Lynne Pariseau <email@hidden> Subject: Scholastic Reading Counts and SRI ( email@hidden) To: <email@hidden> Cc: "email@hidden" <email@hidden> Message-ID: <BD710C32.49F2%email@hidden> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I've seen a couple of references to Scholastic lately but need more info. Can someone give me the lowdown on Scholastic Reading Counts and SRI with regard to WGM and MM?- without consulting me, my school bought both. I contacted Scholastic tech support today who told me that neither program runs under WGM or MM, that I needed to disable both (ha!) and that if I decided to go ahead and install, then they would not offer any support for networking issues! My question is this -- is anyone successfully running these programs under WGM and MM? I am running a 10.3 Xserver with WGM on 10.3 clients, and MM with my 9.2.2 clients. Ideally I would like to put Reading Counts and SRI on another server (my old 10.2.8 server) and have it mount on the kids desktops etc and give them access through WGM and MM. Anyone have any suggestions about this? I would appreciate any suggestions, hints and how-to's -- am I wasting time even trying to get it working? And is my school wasting money - should we send it back!? Thanks, Lynne ****************************************** Lynne Pariseau Computer Specialist Isla Vista School Santa Barbara, CA email@hidden http://www.islavista.goleta.k12.ca.us ****************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:48:47 -0400 From: Richard MacLemale <email@hidden> Subject: Re: Scholastic Reading Counts and SRI ( email@hidden) To: Lynne Pariseau <email@hidden> Cc: email@hidden, "email@hidden" <email@hidden> Message-ID: <email@hidden> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Sep 18, 2004, at 12:48 AM, Lynne Pariseau wrote: >> I've seen a couple of references to Scholastic lately but need more >> info. >> Can someone give me the lowdown on Scholastic Reading Counts and SRI >> with >> regard to WGM and MM?- without consulting me, my school bought both. I >> contacted Scholastic tech support today who told me that neither >> program >> runs under WGM or MM, that I needed to disable both (ha!) and that if I >> decided to go ahead and install, then they would not offer any support >> for >> networking issues! >> >> My question is this -- is anyone successfully running these programs >> under >> WGM and MM? >> >> I am running a 10.3 Xserver with WGM on 10.3 clients, and MM with my >> 9.2.2 >> clients. Ideally I would like to put Reading Counts and SRI on another >> server (my old 10.2.8 server) and have it mount on the kids desktops >> etc and >> give them access through WGM and MM. Anyone have any suggestions about >> this? >> >> I would appreciate any suggestions, hints and how-to's -- am I wasting >> time >> even trying to get it working? And is my school wasting money - should >> we >> send it back!? > OOHHHH!!!!! Let me jump on this one! Scholastic is one of my "favorite" companies. First, a little history. SRI uses the "Lexile" method of determining reading level, and there's some considerable debate about how accurate Lexile is, but that's another story. About 5 years ago I was the tech at an elementary school and we got a copy of SRI when it first came out. It was a total disaster - it would barely run, it used tons of network bandwidth, and was in general unusable. The company's rep FIRST tried to tell us that it was because "Macs can't do networking very good." We pointed out a dozen network products that worked just plain fine, but that was their stance for a while. We complained loudly enough that the company sent two sales people out to my school to talk to me. They reiterated the line about Mac networking. I told them they should fire their programmers because they were being lied to. I showed them what was happening with the program... it is, in essence, a multiple choice reading comp quiz where the data files are on the server. But while a kid was reading a screen, the program was sending a constant stream of information to the server and getting info from the server. While they were reading the screen. Why was all this communication going on? They (sales people) had no clue. Eventually Scholastic scrapped SRI and rewrote it from the ground up. This was version 2. It had some glitches but in general ran well enough for us to test on. Version 3 had bugs that they fixed in version 3.0.1 (or is it 3.0.2...) We had good luck running the latest version 3 under Classic (using Workgroup Manager,) but we ran it on eMacs. The schools in my district who had 350 MHz iMacs running OS X had bad luck running it under Classic. The preferred Mac is 500 MHz G3 or faster. In all of our dealings with Scholastic the company's support has been pathetic. They sent out a "Mac Expert" to help us get it running under MM, and he gave us bad settings so I had to publicly correct him. He had no idea what he was talking about. He gave us MM settings that contradicted each other. As far as the OS X version... We were promised an OS X version of SRI. When we got the "OS X" version last summer, we discovered that only the INSTALLER was OS X. The installer ran under OS X and installed the "Classic" version of SRI. Typical Scholastic. Scholastic, like all Apple developers, was given ample time to prepare for OS X, and they didn't do it. They made excuses and blah blah blah but the REAL OS X version of SRI is about to come out (if it isn't already.) And guess what? It doesn't work with Workgroup Manager as is, either. There's a hack you have to do to get it working and once you see what the hack is, you'll understand that Scholastic has no clue about Mac programming, because it's obvious they NEVER TESTED the OS X version with Workgroup Manager. I'll be publishing that hack online as soon as I hear that the product is officially out there. My opinion is that Scholastic outsources their programming and is at the mercy of whoever they subcontract out to. SRI works with Macintosh Manager and it also works in Classic under WM and OS X if you've got G4 machines. Scholastic doesn't have a single tech person I've talked to who knows anything about MM or WM, despite the fact that tons of schools are running SRI with one of the other. There are 60 schools in my county ALONE that run SRI with either MM or WM. Scholastic has made excuses, provided bad tech support, and just plain lied to us, in my county. All the techs here hate them, and you can see why. (Deep breath...) OK, with that out of the way, I'll tell you how we got SRI working with Workgroup Manager. Actually, there are too many steps to post here. :) So I made a web page, at: http://homepage.mac.com/richardmaclemale/articles/sri.htm NOTE - Like I said, there is a native OS X version of SRI that is supposed to be coming out extremely soon. I'd ask the company when it's coming out and if you're getting the OS X native version for free, before doing all this hoop jumping to get SRI working. And don't let them tell you that they don't know anything about it - we were told in my county that it is "being packaged as we speak." Plus, I've got a copy of it, so I can definitely say it exists. -- Richard MacLemale Mac Network Admin - http://homepage.mac.com/richardmaclemale Songwriter - http://www.macidol.com/jamroom/bands/999/index.php ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:54:10 -0700 From: John <email@hidden> Subject: Los Angeles U.G.'s To: email@hidden Cc: System Imaging <email@hidden> Message-ID: <email@hidden> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Can anyone recommend a Mac User Group in L.A. with a lot of admins in attendance? 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