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Scholastic SRI and Reading Counts



We have been running Scholastic Reading Counts and SRI for two years under
WGM and MM in 18 buildings.   We just received the native OS X version
(the past version runs in Classic).  We should have the new version up and
running by the end of the week.  We just need to work out a few
preferences issues.  Would you like a copy of our documentation?

Sue


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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:48:34 -0700
From: Lynne Pariseau <email@hidden>
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I've seen a couple of references to Scholastic lately but need more info.
Can someone give me the lowdown on Scholastic Reading Counts and SRI with
regard to WGM and MM?- without consulting me, my school bought both. I
contacted Scholastic tech support today who told me that neither program
runs under WGM or MM, that I needed to disable both (ha!) and that if I
decided to go ahead and install, then they would not offer any support for
networking issues!

My question is this -- is anyone successfully running these programs under
WGM and MM?

I am running a 10.3 Xserver with WGM on 10.3 clients, and MM with my 9.2.2
clients.  Ideally I would like to put Reading Counts and SRI on another
server (my old 10.2.8 server) and have it mount on the kids desktops etc
and
give them access through WGM and MM.  Anyone have any suggestions about
this?

I would appreciate any suggestions, hints and how-to's -- am I wasting time
even trying to get it working? And is my school wasting money - should we
send it back!?

Thanks, Lynne
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Lynne Pariseau
Computer Specialist
Isla Vista School
Santa Barbara, CA
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http://www.islavista.goleta.k12.ca.us
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:48:47 -0400
From: Richard MacLemale <email@hidden>
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On Sep 18, 2004, at 12:48 AM, Lynne Pariseau wrote:

>> I've seen a couple of references to Scholastic lately but need more
>> info.
>> Can someone give me the lowdown on Scholastic Reading Counts and SRI
>> with
>> regard to WGM and MM?- without consulting me, my school bought both. I
>> contacted Scholastic tech support today who told me that neither
>> program
>> runs under WGM or MM, that I needed to disable both (ha!) and that if I
>> decided to go ahead and install, then they would not offer any support
>> for
>> networking issues!
>>
>> My question is this -- is anyone successfully running these programs
>> under
>> WGM and MM?
>>
>> I am running a 10.3 Xserver with WGM on 10.3 clients, and MM with my
>> 9.2.2
>> clients.  Ideally I would like to put Reading Counts and SRI on another
>> server (my old 10.2.8 server) and have it mount on the kids desktops
>> etc and
>> give them access through WGM and MM.  Anyone have any suggestions about
>> this?
>>
>> I would appreciate any suggestions, hints and how-to's -- am I wasting
>> time
>> even trying to get it working? And is my school wasting money - should
>> we
>> send it back!?
>
OOHHHH!!!!!   Let me jump on this one!  Scholastic is one of my
"favorite" companies.

First, a little history.  SRI uses the "Lexile" method of determining
reading level, and there's some considerable debate about how accurate
Lexile is, but that's another story.  About 5 years ago I was the tech
at an elementary school and we got a copy of SRI when it first came
out.  It was a total disaster - it would barely run, it used tons of
network bandwidth, and was in general unusable.  The company's rep
FIRST tried to tell us that it was because "Macs can't do networking
very good."  We pointed out a dozen network products that worked just
plain fine, but that was their stance for a while.  We complained
loudly enough that the company sent two sales people out to my school
to talk to me.  They reiterated the line about Mac networking.  I told
them they should fire their programmers because they were being lied
to.  I showed them what was happening with the program... it is, in
essence, a multiple choice reading comp quiz where the data files are
on the server.  But while a kid was reading a screen, the program was
sending a constant stream of information to the server and getting info
from the server.  While they were reading the screen.  Why was all this
communication going on?  They (sales people) had no clue.

Eventually Scholastic scrapped SRI and rewrote it from the ground up.
This was version 2.  It had some glitches but in general ran well
enough for us to test on.  Version 3 had bugs that they fixed in
version 3.0.1 (or is it 3.0.2...)   We had good luck running the latest
version 3 under Classic (using Workgroup Manager,) but we ran it on
eMacs.  The schools in my district who had 350 MHz iMacs running OS X
had bad luck running it under Classic.  The preferred Mac is 500 MHz G3
or faster.

In all of our dealings with Scholastic the company's support has been
pathetic.  They sent out a "Mac Expert" to help us get it running under
MM, and he gave us bad settings so I had to publicly correct him.  He
had no idea what he was talking about.  He gave us MM settings that
contradicted each other.

As far as the OS X version...

We were promised an OS X version of SRI.  When we got the "OS X"
version last summer, we discovered that only the INSTALLER was OS X.
The installer ran under OS X and installed the "Classic" version of
SRI.  Typical Scholastic.

Scholastic, like all Apple developers, was given ample time to prepare
for OS X, and they didn't do it.  They made excuses and blah blah blah
but the REAL OS X version of SRI is about to come out (if it isn't
already.)  And guess what?  It doesn't work with Workgroup Manager as
is, either.  There's a hack you have to do to get it working and once
you see what the hack is, you'll understand that Scholastic has no clue
about Mac programming, because it's obvious they NEVER TESTED the OS X
version with Workgroup Manager.  I'll be publishing that hack online as
soon as I hear that the product is officially out there.

My opinion is that Scholastic outsources their programming and is at
the mercy of whoever they subcontract out to.  SRI works with Macintosh
Manager and it also works in Classic under WM and OS X if you've got G4
machines.  Scholastic doesn't have a single tech person I've talked to
who knows anything about MM or WM, despite the fact that tons of
schools are running SRI with one of the other.  There are 60 schools in
my county ALONE that run SRI with either MM or WM.  Scholastic has made
excuses, provided bad tech support, and just plain lied to us, in my
county.  All the techs here hate them, and you can see why.

(Deep breath...)   OK, with that out of the way, I'll tell you how we
got SRI working with Workgroup Manager.  Actually, there are too many
steps to post here.  :)  So I made a web page, at:

http://homepage.mac.com/richardmaclemale/articles/sri.htm

NOTE - Like I said, there is a native OS X version of SRI that is
supposed to be coming out extremely soon.  I'd ask the company when
it's coming out and if you're getting the OS X native version for free,
before doing all this hoop jumping to get SRI working.  And don't let
them tell you that they don't know anything about it - we were told in
my county that it is "being packaged as we speak."  Plus, I've got a
copy of it, so I can definitely say it exists.

--
Richard MacLemale
Mac Network Admin - http://homepage.mac.com/richardmaclemale
Songwriter - http://www.macidol.com/jamroom/bands/999/index.php



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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:54:10 -0700
From: John <email@hidden>
Subject: Los Angeles U.G.'s
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Can anyone recommend a Mac User Group in L.A. with a lot of admins in
attendance?

Thx,
j.



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