On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:32:37 -0700 Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
wrote:
> Maybe English is your 2nd language. Maybe youre just too involved in
> knocking Adobes conversion methods among other functionality. But
> coming full circle, your points about conversions at this point are
> nonsensical, non scientific, misguide if not purposely a specious
> series of posts that suggest once again that theres some inferiority
> in Photoshops color management and in fact, youve used an apples to
> oranges test to prove this to yourself.
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:12:56 -0500 Chris Murphy <email@hidden>
wrote:
> WTF? You have asserted that ACE conversions are vastly inferior.
> Photoshop uses ACE for conversions. So what exactly are you saying
> that you haven't asserted?
...
> I have. I'm not seeing what you're seeing. So you can either provide a
> sequence for others to attempt to reproduce your exact steps, or you
> can't. But asserting things, and then not providing very basic
> information for others to try and reproduce your results is generally
> referred to as B.S. although it can go by other names also.
...
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:18:58 +1100 Graeme Gill <email@hidden>
wrote:
> I think Andrew that you're being rather hasty in launching a counter-attack
> at what you perceive to be an "attack" on Adobe, rather than at least
> trying to understand what the OP might be talking about first.
Thanks Graeme for stopping these "trolls" from degrading an exchange of
experiences and ideas into a mud fight in which they have excelled on
previous occasions...
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:24:02 +0000 Martin Orpen <email@hidden>
wrote:
On 1 Nov 2009, at 15:46, dpascale wrote:
>> Based on your experience, what is the CMYK space most used for
>> graphic design in North-America, Europe, and/or Asia?
> Here in the UK the most common colour space that I get supplied is US
> SWOP. Why? Because it's the Adobe default -- even when you've paid an
> extortionate amount of money for a UK/European localised version...
> Why don't the defaults get changed?
> 1. Because nobody RTFMs.
> 2. The people who run the creative businesses are old enough to have
> had repro people sorting this sort of boring stuff out for them and
> haven't realised that they've all been retired/fired.
> 3. The people whom they employ haven't been taught anything about
> colour management in college.
>> More specifically, I would like to have an idea of the CMYK space(s)
>> most used when specifying a CMYK spot color for color-accurate work.
> If they haven't changed the defaults in Photoshop and InDesign it's
> still gonna be SWOP.
> I've seen a few Pantone CMYK swatch books or Pantone Solid to Process
> books lying around. The consultancies that specialise in branding are
> usually careful to pick colours that work across a range of media so
> are aware of the web/spot/CMYK issues.
> But, generally very little thought is given to the technical issues
> involved in printing.
> The first warning is usually when I call the designer. Sure they look
> great on the FOGRA proof but the fine white hairlines that they've
> placed on a 4 colour dark purple background might not do so well on
> press. Likewise, the 4pt type that they've specified as a 3 colour
> warm black or the 4 colour black and white images that won't match
> because of gray balance problems. Not forgetting that all the images
> will lack impact because they are never sharpened and they've been
> downsampled to thumbnail size from 200MB originals during the PDF
> creation...
> I could go on... and on. It's shameful that today we have greater
> control than ever and the ability to accurately simulate the results
> before the job ends up on press but still nobody wants to pay for this
> critical part of the production process :-(
Thanks Martin for taking your time to contribute to this list.
I suppose most of the longtime lurkers/active members have no interest in
reading the computer generated reactions of the trolls...
Paul Foerts
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