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Re: [Fed-Talk] Macs in the Navy(?)




On Apr 14, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Orth, Lonny J CIV N62306 wrote:

Out of curiosity, was Apple even given the chance to bid on the NMCI
contract that Dell has ever-so-apparently won?

Dell didn't win the contract, the company, EDS, that won the contract prefers Dell machines. I doubt Apple had a chance regardless of cost, the contract most certainly specified Windows as the OS. Another side issue is that the existing machines become the property of EDS (or at east part of the contract in some way), they either maintained Win2K on them or replaced them with machines with machines that could run Win2K -- the deck was stacked one way or another, Apple would have had to replace all the machines and train all the users. I doubt Apple could win because there would have not been a second source, isn't that a requirement for the big contracts. I was told that the stock price of EDS dropped after they won (I didn't bother to look). Now with the Intel based Mac Mini Apple might have a chance, but Windows and the Navy seem married for life.


Has Apple ever demonstrated an ability to support 400,000 machines all over the world at secured sites? This means placing cleared people on site at every site. Apple and Dell are not support companies, they both sell hardware, and Apple sells software, some of it produced in house (EDS is ranked as one of the largest services companies on the FORTUNE 500 list, ref. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Electronic_Data_Systems>).

I asked an online contact why the school were he works only teaches Windows, it's a business school and he said because the business companies want people who know Windows.

Contrast that to people who format their Windows machines every six months because of the viruses and worms or people who have said no more extortion (yearly license renewals for anti-virus, anti-spyware, and firewall software) and now use a Linux machine for web browsing and email. The vast majority live with what they have because (a) they don't want to buy new hardware and software, regardless that they will soon anyway, (b) they use Windows at work, (c) they believe that everyone they know uses Windows, (d) they plain don't have a clue.

Something to think about -- you get two worm generated emails to two different emails addresses that you believe only one of your customers has. When you suggest that his machine might have a problem, he indigently replies that that is impossible as he is running Windows 98 with the latest Norton and there is no way his machine is infected. If you are a small company you don't argue with your customers.

Only a few people switch to Apple OS X, I know a lot of switchers because I work with engineers and scientists who primarily switch because OS X is Unix and is a lot more user friendly then Linux (Linux is like a user manual written by an engineer). Of the switchers I doubt any of them would have switched if I wasn't using OS X at work.

The real trick when you sell highly reliable hardware is to also be able to sell them on contacts that specify a certain number of years of replacement--say the contract says the company will repair the hardware on site for five years, can Apple do that?

Side note: in the 1U market what's the failure rate after three years (not counting Xserves), I have a rack with a 70% failure rate in 2 1/2 years, either the power supply or mother board giving out, these are AMD Opteron based (had to be somewhat close to what our customers would/could buy and the performance was better than the Xserve available at that time) with a 2 year hardware warranty. I'm justing hoping Apple has a nice Intel-based Xserve when we next get to buy 1U servers, operating systems issues are one thing but high rate of hardware failures has to count for something.

michael.

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