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Been away for a few days and Ive just noticed all the replys to this post, so thought I might as well reply back. ive only just moved from Digest mode so sorry for bad formatting.
Glen Fisher wrote:
No, that's pretty reasonable of Apple. Publicly-readable bug lists are the exception, not the rule. You seem to be suffering from the all-too-common misbelief that Apple is a charitable organization that adopts policies beneficial to the public, rather than a money-grubbing business that adopts policies beneficial to itself.
I disagree, SUN is a commercial company and they provide an open bug
list. Whilst I can see why Apple may not want to open up bug databases
for all applications I think the benefits from opening up a Development
Platform would outweigh any disadvantages to them. Ive been working on
Java for 5 years and deploying to Windows and only come across 8 bugs
and most of them were quite obscure, I bought a Mac for the first time 3
weeks ago because I needed to migrate an application to OSX and have
found 3 very obvious bugs already. In fact what do you the commercial
reasons for hiding the Bug database are? Im quite impressed with OSX as
a general user but issues like the closed database and some of the
shoddy bugs Ive found in Apples port.would prevent me from ever user it
as my main devlopment platform and hence buying further/more powerful
Macs in the future hence loss of potential earnings for Apple.
No, it means that Apple uses the number of bug reports for a given bug as a way to tell how important the bug is to fix. Reporting a bug is the Apple way of voting for it. It also means that developers can safely include company-confidential information in bug reports.
It is a real pain submitting a formal bug report, much better to be able
to vote on existing reports and get on with something more useful. It is
also very easy to generalise a problem withuout revealing
company-confidential information.
How do you get from "Apple's bug database is private" to "Apple is
overall more restrictive with their software"? As noted, very few
companies make their bug database public? Are you saying that
Microsoft allows public access to *their* bug list? Care to provice
the URL for it?
I do seem to have jumped a bit here. But what I mean is that Microsoft
have had various law suits regarding the bundling of software such as IE
and Windows Media Player, and issues over forcing PC suppliers to
install Windows XP. But Apple does exactly the same thing with ITunes
and Safari, and the price of an IPOD or Mac seems to have no variation
within a country. Apple just come across to me as Control Freaks
The Help and Support Centre provides alot more details on bugs and
problems then the OSX webpages.
On what? The file being 86MB, or the timeout? I just ran System Profile, and got a 352K file. Did you try creating an RTF or text file? Did you try editing the XML file to remove information not needed for the bug report? Did you even look at more than the first few lines of the file? (If you do, the reason it's 86M--and what to do about it--will probably become clear very quickly.)
Ok, found the problem it appends all console logs and mine was full of java debugging.
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