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Re: Now Available: J2SE 5.0 Release 3 Developer Preview 3



Greetings,

On 10/12/05, Shawn Erickson <email@hidden> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 2005, at 7:18 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
[...deletia...]
> You don't and shouldn't. Why not attempt to detect what they have
> installed and then change what you request instead of changing a
> default that is intended to be under the users control.
>
> Also this begs the question if you support 1.4... why not just use 1.4.

If you read their message, they say explicitly that their program has
a lot more features under Java5 than under 1.4, so if the user has it
available anywhere, it would be best to use the Java5 JRE.  This can't
be an uncommon event for people who are releasing desktop-based
applications, so I'm not sure why so few people seem to understand
this.

I can certainly feel that pain, it's frustrating to know that your
users experience is being hobbled, when it doesn't have to be.  If
'1.4+' worked (i.e. actually ran the latest version of the JRE,
including Java5 if it exists on the box), this would not be an issue.

In case it's not obvious yet, many people write programs that will
*work* under 1.4 (because it's the dominant Java version), but will be
*better* the newer a JRE you have, including Java5, and it would be
nice if they worked at their full capacity out of the box for OS X
users who DO have Java5, without all the cruft that Apple is currently
forcing on them.  Especially since all that cruft should go away the
moment Apple actually decides they trust Java5 enough to turn on the
bit that says, 'Let 1.4+ work the way it is supposed to'.

We have, however, been down that path far too many times, and it is
beaten to a pulp.

> -Shawn

--  Morgan Schweers
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References: 
 >Now Available: J2SE 5.0 Release 3 Developer Preview 3 (From: Alan Samuel <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Now Available: J2SE 5.0 Release 3 Developer Preview 3 (From: Vic Cekvenich <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Now Available: J2SE 5.0 Release 3 Developer Preview 3 (From: Scott Kovatch <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Now Available: J2SE 5.0 Release 3 Developer Preview 3 (From: Vic Cekvenich <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Now Available: J2SE 5.0 Release 3 Developer Preview 3 (From: Shawn Erickson <email@hidden>)



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