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Re: Now Available: J2SE 5.0 Release 3 Developer Preview 3




On Oct 13, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Sam Berlin wrote:

It's not hard to run the tests, it just takes some time.


It is somewhat hard (if not expensive) if you haven't already purchased Tiger.

This seems like a red herring, from a developer perspective. Developers have to fork over the cash for the tools they need for the job. Our users may choose not to upgrade, and developers must make decisions about the earliest platform they support, but if our customers might buy the latest and greatest, we developers have to test on it.


If I recall correctly, you said that you do not currently have any Mac customers you are trying to support. I also recall that you do not use a mac if you can help it, and that you reccomend against Mac purchases, on the basis of their Java policy. Certainly, that is your right, but it does make me wonder what market you might represent to Apple, and Apple java developers, and thus what benefit you get from being on java-dev? After all, all current Java development on the platform is taking place two operating system releases later than yours.

I believe you said it as 'lackluster support of Java and Java developers', but if you are not working with 10.4, you are not working where they are supporting Java developers. I am not saying you are wrong, though I disagree. I _am_ saying that you are not in their target market.

Perhaps IBM, or Apache will end up porting a VM - they certainly could were they minded to. Until they do, though, Apple's java development is driven by Apple's priorities. Previously, you have said that your priorities are to prevent the sale of Apple gear - hardly something designed to make them listen to you on what would sell Macs.

I do understand not liking a platform - I am not fond of Windows and I do not use it if I can avoid it. My local Windows machine runs win2k, which works for the clients I have that need windows support. When they need xp support, I will upgrade. That said, I do not hang out in Windows-specific fora, as it would do neither them nor me any good. I do hang out in Java fora, and in Mac fora, as those are where my customers hang out.

Scott
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