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Re: Apple should get behind Cocoa Java



Claiming superiority is a slippery slope. ;-)

From a purely technical language semantics perspective, perhaps (though I consider that a subjective opinion), but it's certainly obvious that Apple's current successes with Mac OS X are at least in part due to the Objective-C runtime and all of the work that was (and has) been put into Cocoa, which unfortunately for the Java developers, is inherently tied to Objective-C.

Objective-C provides run-time capabilities that Java doesn't, that C doesn't, that C++ doesn't, etc... and it's those runtime capabilities that makes Cocoa so powerful. Sure, the memory model might be a bit goofy, and messaging conventions might look completely alien to some, but that stuff isn't really all that important when you look at the advantages that are provided by the runtime.

- Terry


On Aug 17, 2006, at 4:59 AM, Elliotte Harold wrote:

This thread convinced me to start reading about Objective-C. More soon, but the short version is GACK! This is not a modern language. Leaving library issues and VM aside, Java is a vastly superior language. Apple would have done themselves and their developers a big favor if they had based Cocoa on Java or C#-like knockoff rather than Objective-C.

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References: 
 >Apple should get behind Cocoa Java (From: Vince Marco <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Apple should get behind Cocoa Java (From: Ian Joyner <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Re: Apple should get behind Cocoa Java (From: "Shawn Erickson" <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Apple should get behind Cocoa Java (From: Elliotte Harold <email@hidden>)



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