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Re: Migrating from ASIP 6.3 to Panther

Hi Richard,

Thanks for your reply. Starting from scratch actually doesn't sound too daunting, and having done it once (even though it was badly) I am confident that it will go better. Unless things change between my leaving for work and sitting infront of the xserve I believe that I will take your advice and build it from the ground up .
One more question if I may... given that the plan at the moment is to only need the MM part of things for roughly 6 months, do you think it is an option to set up the xserve to manage workgroups, leave my old asip server managing mm clients and serve the documents from one of those machines so their files are present no matter where they log on from?


Many thanks


Warren Hall


On 9/07/2004, at 7:48 AM, Richard MacLemale wrote:

On Jul 8, 2004, at 2:08 AM, Warren Hall wrote:

Hi All

Well I have received my long awaited xserve and begun my transition. I have armed myself with such useful manuals as the migration guide (esp pages 96-105), John Detroyes Unifying WorkGroup manager and Macintosh Manager, User Management and of course the getting started manual that shipped with the box.

You got a manual? :)

Now when i test log on as a user i have to log on using the shortname, i had hoped to be able to log on using the full name, should that be possible?

Absolutely. Long or short name should work, from OS 9 or OS X. Something's very wrong.

So some questions, the first is perhaps the most important, Should I have been able to import my users and documents form the ASIP server such that their information transfered over in a state that they could still log on using the same username and password and still access all of their documents? And should they have been able to access all of their documents from a MM environment, a Managed Clients enviroment or both?

Any pointers would be greatfully received. I am hopeing I just overlooked some basic task and that when school resumes in ten days things will work nicely in the new environment.

There have been sightings of people who've successfully used Apple's migration tools. There have also been sightings of Bigfoot...

Um, no, really, supposedly some people have used the migration tools and they've worked fine, but I personally know a LOT of people who tried the migration tools and it didn't work out so good for them. I really recommend the "start over" approach. If you migrate data, and stuff goes wrong, you never quite know - was it a glitch in the migration, or do I have something set wrong, or is something hosed in the new setup, or is it a DNS issue, or... you get the idea. Apple has not had a real solid record with their migration tools.

Your setup sounds hosed. Ain't no pretty way to say it. The jump from ASIP to 10.3 Server is HUGE... it's a totally different system. You ARE making the right move, though, because 10.3 Server is awesome and ASIP is, well, pretty crappy in comparison. But if I were to visit a school that had missing home directories, questionable imported data, long names that don't work, and tons of MM errors, I'd scrap it and start from the ground up. You "might" be able to fix you problems - without actually putting my hands on the servers, I can't really say the extent of the damage and problems. But I'd strongly consider reinstalling the server OS. I'm assuming you've got the user home directories backed up somewhere... I'd reinstall the OS and then try using Passenger to migrate the old home directories to the new Users sharepoint. Be careful when you import your users into WM - import one or two first, and TEST them and make sure they can log in, before importing the whole shootin' match with Passenger or MM Import Helper.

If it were me, I'd do this:
1. Make sure you have user docs backed up, then reinstall OS X Server.
2. Set up an OS X client to authenticate to the server.
3. Import a couple of users using MM Import Helper (or Passenger.)
4. Log in as those test users and make sure all is well.
5. If everything is OK, import the rest of the users.
6. Move the home directories back, using Passenger or some very clever Terminal commands.
7. Log in as several users and make sure things are cool.
8. Set up MM on the server.
9. Set up an OS 9 client with MM and point it to the server.
10. Log in as a user onto OS 9 and make sure it works.

If you get that all done, then you can go back and set up management in WM (for OS X) and MM (for OS 9.) This is a lot of work - I'm not going to kid you. But moving from ASIP/MM to OSXS/WM/MM is a huge move. There ain't no easy way. There are TONS of landmines (like DNS requirements, which you will curse.)

You may be thinking, "Yeah, but then I gotta redo my MM workgroups!" You may find that, in the process of designing your OS X/ OS 9 network that you'll be rethinking the way you use MM anyway. One thing I'd definitely recommend is using the All Other Users user, to save a boatload of time.

To shove false modesty aside, I'd suggest checking out my dot mac site. It's got step by step directions for doing ALL this stuff and way more, and represents most of what I've learned about 10.3 networking over the past year. It's at:

http://homepage.mac.com/richardmaclemale/mac_networking.htm

The link is "Setting Up an OS X Server 10.3 Based Network."

Ten days, with no help, is a lot of work. I'd try to get some help, maybe from an Apple SE or another tech person. It certainly can be done, though.

--
Richard MacLemale
Mac Network Admin
http://homepage.mac.com/richardmaclemale
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References: 
 >Migrating from ASIP 6.3 to Panther (From: Warren Hall <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Migrating from ASIP 6.3 to Panther (From: Richard MacLemale <email@hidden>)



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