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Re: Server cost compare

For a 1u product I believe the Xserve is a good product. The cost
comparison is minimally different and I would easily choose 2 xserves
mirrored at 2U instead of 2 towers in a rack at 12u unless you buy the
marathon conversion box for 600.00 to make it 4u, even the 6u solution from
marathon is 500.00.
On the hard drives I typically have been using IBM servers for SCO or
win2000, we are mostly a UNIX shop, 18,36 gig hot swap hard drives from IBM
are never less than 500.00 and typically run for almost 1000.00. I agree
that as a consumer I would like to have the trays in the box and put my own
ide drives in it, but 500.00 is not bad to pay for a system that is
supportable by having the hardware constant.
The extra that apple has put into Xserve is great, we currently use
intermapper to monitor our most critical networks and an unlimited license
for this product is over 2grand to start and 700 a year for upgrades.
This is my 2 cents, but I have time and time again compared the desktop
with the X-serve and any time I configure it (unless I add 480gig) the Price
difference is negligible.


David Reaugh
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On 6/22/02 12:11 AM, "N. Lyne" <email@hidden> wrote:

> Truely it may not be for everyone. For someone like me that is paying for
> co-location rack space, the idea of fitting say 6 or possibly 8 towers into
> the
> same space I could in theory put 30 or 40 Xserves, the cost savings works out
> well. Also I can't get onsite warranty with the normal tower. Yes, it
> remains
> to be seen on Apple's IDE drive setup, but I have not had a problem with Sun
> X1's (and now Sunfire V100's that have IDE drives though not hot swap...though
> Sun charges $250 for a 40gig HD that is not hot swap but you need the tray it
> comes with to not void onsite warranty.. fun fun... :)
>
> It all depends on your needs on if it saves you money or not. To some a tower
> outfitted like you want might be a better choice for others that have limited
> space the Xserve is perfect and the server monitoring helps when dealing with
> dozens (or more) of them in a data center as well..
>
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:11:53 -0500
> "Heath Henderson" <email@hidden> wrote:
>> Yes. This is all true. It is at an Education rate.
>>
>> But even at Raid 1 I am more comfortable with the speed and reliability of
>> the drives
>> per the price than going with the IDE options.
>> I don't understand how Apple can charge so much for those drives. I priced
>> the similar drives at a much lower cost.
>> Although you still have to be able to buy the mounting frame. The SCSI
>> option even without the U160 card is still cheaper to build by about a 100
>> bucks than the Xserve.
>>
>> I am just pointing out that Apple was so nice to give us a new "server" but
>> the cost doesn't seem to have helped
>> me out any.
>>
>> Heath Henderson
>> Assistant Technology Administrator
>> McLean County Unit 5 Schools
>> Normal, IL
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "N. Lyne" <email@hidden>
>> To: "Heath Henderson" <email@hidden>;
>> <email@hidden>
>> Cc: <email@hidden>
>> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: Server cost compare
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Compared
>>>>
>>>> Tower G4 DP 512MB ram $2203 to Xserve G4 DP 512MB ram 3679.
>>>> Tower comes with 80 gb IDE ---- Xserve comes with 60gb IDE
>>>> Add ATTO SCSI for $417 ---- Xserve add U160 Card for $180
>>>> Add 2 36gb SCSI raid 1 $788 ---- Xserve add 2nd 60 gb IDE $315
>>>> Add OSX Server UNL. $499 ---- Xserve comes with UNL. OSXS
>>>>
>>>> Total cost Tower = $3907.00
>>>>
>>>> Total cost Tower = $4174.00
>>>>
>>>> Now, I don't know about you, but the Tower seems like a better deal.
>> You
>>>> get 152GB of Storage space vs. 120. You also get SCSI I/O vs the IDE
>> I/O if
>>>> you remove the IDE drive from the Tower setup. I also would rather have
>> the
>>>> Dual Channel ATTO card than the card that may come with the Xserve. I
>> am
>>>> limited by the nice Utils I get with the Xserve and not with the OSXS
>> boxed
>>>> set. But I am willing to take that for the other gains. I wonder why
>> apple
>>>> doesn't sell that server any longer. Seems like some of us can only
>> afford
>>>> so much and they are not really compensating the boxes for the price.
>> You
>>>> get much less in the Xserve than you did with the tower. On top of that
>> I
>>>> would like a 1U server, but not at that cost.
>>>
>>> My question is why did you add the U160 card to the Xserve when you are
>> not
>>> using it? Upgrade the included 60gig Xserve drive to 120 and add a second
>>> 120gig drive to run a RAID 1 off of... Cost would probably come out lower
>> on
>>> the Xserve (or just as close with more drive space, minus the U160 card
>> you are
>>> not using.)
>>>
>>> Also you are quoting drive space that is available but if you are putting
>> those
>>> 36gig drives in a RAID 1 you are not ending up with 116 in the Tower
>> compared
>>> to the 120 in the RAID 1 if you upgraded the Xserve to two 120 drives...
>> Also
>>> the nice part on the Xserve if you are running server that needs uptime is
>> that
>>> if a drive died in your RAID 1 on the Xserve you just swap the drive, on
>> your
>>> tower setup you would have to bring it down to swap the drives...
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