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Re: ISP-level MTAs for OS X Server?



Hey all,

I highly recommend SurgeMail. We're using it with much success. It has many
great features including spam filtering, SSL support for all protocols, and
domain delegation. Very nice package for the price. I'd say it's feature set
is almost as complete as CGP.


Also, the support is top notch and the development team is always eager to
implement feature requests.


Regards,
Aaron

On Oct 27, 2004, at 10:18 AM, Joel Rennich wrote:

As much as I like the postfix/cyrus combo on OS X Server, it is not, nor has it ever been, a good solution for someone hosting an ISP.

The fact that it doesn't handle virtual domains/users and you can't delegate control of virtual domains are two of the many factors that prohibit it's use. Tiger will fix some of this, but I still wouldn't really suggest it for someone who truly wants to run a black-box mail server.

But let's face it, I don't know of any server operating system that comes out of the box with an ISP-level mail solution built-in. If you're making money off of being an ISP you should expect to have to put at least a little into it.

As mentioned before, Communigate really shines here, but now that they have integrated the Exchange connector with the product they have dramatically increased the pricing. If your revenue stream is decent enough I'd still highly recommend CGP, especially as you can make money off of reselling the calendar/groupware services.

Other options that are of interest:

1. As mentioned before on this list George Szekely has a very nice pkg installer for exim/courier with a mysql backend. It's free, and will do great for no-frills ISP setups. However, if you're charging money to host you're probably looking for something more. Find it here: http://maxo.captainnet.net/installs/index.html

2. Surgemail is a real interesting contender. It's dirt cheap, like $600 for 10,000 users ( and $2k for cluster which is very very reasonable) and has many CGP-like features, including the ability to delegate domains. I haven't had a chance to do much with it, but I'd be real curious to hear from anyone who is. http://www.surgemail.com

3. Kerio is of interest. It's not really great for ISP's yet, since it has no domain delegation, but if you're looking for Exchange compatibility, Kerio will do this for a fraction of the price of CGP. http://www.kerio.com

4. There are quite a few OSS solutions, but none others that have a pkg installer that I know of. I'd suggest taking a look at freshmeat.net to see what's out there. These will require a bit of work to get them up and running, and to keep them running. Again if you're making money at this or even if you aren't, you probably have better things to do than babysit updates and things like that, so certainly look at the other options.

Joel

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On Oct 27, 2004, at 11:03 AM, Chris Chapman wrote:

I have to second Steve's question here. I myself am looking to transition my hosting company to total MacOS X based systems and I simply cannot accept the future headache of constantly having to rebuild mailboxes and such - seems like utter silliness to me. I've never had to do this with my linux/bsd servers - why start now, right? Is this problem THAT prevalent?

The main attraction to moving to MacOS X as a host OS is the ease of OS updates and the great hardware. But if this comes at a cost of availability and uptime, I simply cannot make that move. What are the other hosting companies using MacOS X out there doing? Are you having to roll your own solutions, bypassing the built-in server admin and update features? What are your experiences here? Note, I'm talking about pure webhosting/email/ftp/dns - no fileserver functionalities.

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 >ISP-level MTAs for OS X Server? (From: Steve Linford <email@hidden>)
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 >Re: ISP-level MTAs for OS X Server? (From: Joel Rennich <email@hidden>)



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