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Re: Renepo worm targets Mac OS X users, Sophos reports



At 2:29 PM -0400 10/27/04, email@hidden wrote:
On 26 Oct, 2004, at 10:45, Bruce Toback wrote:

The first worm that spread over the Internet was a Unix worm, in 1986 -- using a text editor that ran with super-user privileges. I've had one of our Linux systems penetrated successfully -- caught a few minutes after the penetration, so I got to watch the result on a network monitor. The fun part was calling the guy's ISP while the attack was in progress, and actually getting a Unix admin who could work with me to roll the guy up. But it was a Unix attack, not a Windows attack.

Right. Again, a worm is not a virus. Your Linux box was not infected with a virus; you were hacked. (Nice work nabbing the attacker though.)

The Morris Worm, which I vividly remember, caused damage b/c at the time too many sites were lax about security. It caused NO damage to those who had heeded the repeated warnings and properly secured sendmail. But at the time most systems were considered playgrounds, and anyone could open the gate an play around. This was best demonstrated by tourist accounts. I don't think too many installations permit tourists anymore, though the culture is still very ingrained at the AI Lab.


Any of the social-engineering techniques that work to spread email worms on PCs will work on Macs, and probably better, since the Mac community hasn't been repeatedly challenged with such techniques. An email worm doesn't need admin privileges to spread. [...]

Okay, I will stop now, since this has simply become a squabble over semantics.

I'd disagree with the last sentence on more than semantics.

In my first message I simply disagreed with a proposition that it is inevitable that OS X will be plagued with viruses.

I'd disagree too. What I would say is that Mac sysadmins as a group have less experience dealing with unix systems and are more likely to have developed bad practices from their classical days. This will change though as more ppl cut their teeth on OS X. But we will still have those that refuse to consider what's under then hood and try and recreate the old bad practices.


The fact is that there are no know viruses on the Mac OS X platform. That statement is a fact. To call this script (opener)--which must be installed, knowingly or unknowingly, by an administrative user--a virus is factually incorrect.

Nor is it a worm, nor is it a trojan. As of yet it has no vector other than stupid admins. In that case it's more of just shooting yourself in the foot. Do we have a word for this behavior yet?


Yes, OS X has and will be effected by bugs and security holes (every operating system is), but I contend that it will be a very long time before a true virus will make its way onto the platform.

There is a difference between a vulnerability and an exploit. While it's not uncommon that a vulnerability may be found in components we find on OS X (ssh, ssl, apache, just to name a few we've seen) this doesn't translate into exploits. There can be a vulnerability but unless you have things configured in a particular way you're not likely to be affected by it. We've seen this several times already. That is just because there is a vulnerable situation doesn't translate into exploitability.


But vulnerabilities and virri are two different animals too. A worm is more likely than a virus on OS X or any unix. Virii in the unix world are VERY VERY rare.
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-dhan

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