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RE: Xserve RAID: RAID 5 set using more than seven drives?



I would say leave the RAID at 2x7 drive RAID 5.  I had to make the same decision about a week ago and that's how I left my storage.  No one I spoke with really suggested 50 as a good idea.  Yes, you will probably get a performance gain due to the fact that you have a set of 14 drives, instead of 7.  Its really your choice.  Its a matter of better performance with the set of 14 drives compared to the safety of being able to keep your data online if a controller goes offline and keeping one extra layer of complexity off your data set by not software striping across controllers.

Do you need more space than one 7 drive bank can give you?  I simply broke off some data into the second controller, so instead of having one bank 90% full, I have one 50% and the other 40%.

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-----Original Message-----
From: macos-x-server-bounces+dhaliwal=email@hidden on behalf of Ken Carlile
Sent: Fri 10/29/2004 6:40 PM
To: Piers Uso Walter
Cc: Mac OSX Server
Subject: RE: Xserve RAID: RAID 5 set using more than seven drives?
 
I suppose what I'm getting at is, is RAID 50 less safe than a pair of RAID 5s?

I use the software RAID 1 on my OS drives in general, but use plain vanilla RAID 5s for Xserve RAID arrays. I've never tried anything with a 0 in. 


-----Original Message-----
From:	Piers Uso Walter [mailto:email@hidden]
Sent:	Fri 10/29/2004 4:36 PM
To:	Ken Carlile
Cc:	Bill Lloyd; Mac OSX Server
Subject:	Re: Xserve RAID: RAID 5 set using more than seven drives?

Am 30. Okt 2004 um 00:44 schrieb Ken Carlile:

> What happens if one of the drives goes or if the software component 
> (0) goes?

If one of the drives goes, its RAID 5 set is degraded (no longer 
redundant), but will still continue to work. As soon as the RAID set is 
rebuilt using a spare drive (e.g. automatically using a hot spare), the 
RAID set is non-degraded and redundant again. In a 50-scenario, you may 
even loose two drives simultaneously, as long as both of them are in 
different RAID 5 sets.

I guess, a failure of the software RAID (0) would be comparable to the 
RAID controller failure as described by Bill Lloyd. Replace "Swap in a 
new RAID controller" by "restart the software RAID (restart the server 
OS?)" and the rest should be more or less applicable.

With kind regards

Piers

-- 
Piers Uso Walter <email@hidden>
ilink Kommunikationssysteme GmbH


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Bill Lloyd [mailto:email@hidden]
> Sent:	Fri 10/29/2004 3:33 PM
> To:	Ken Carlile
> Cc:	Mac OSX Server
> Subject:	Re: Xserve RAID: RAID 5 set using more than seven drives?
>
> It is safe for data, because if a RAID controller goes bad, you won't
> lose data.  Swap in a new RAID controller, it can read the RAID set
> info off the drives, and you're back up and running in no time.  If you
> have a spare controller on hand (i.e. you purchased a spares kit), this
> swap takes 30-60 seconds.
>
> However, it does have "uptime" implications.  If a controller goes, the
> entire volume (that is, both halves) goes offline for the duration.
> This effectively doubles your chances of losing availability.  It's two
> "single points of failure" and some people won't tolerate ANY, so if
> that's your goal, it's not a recommended approach.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Bill
>
> On Oct 29, 2004, at 2:23 PM, Ken Carlile wrote:
>
>> My question is, is RAID 50 safe (redundant)? My head gets confused
>> when I try to think about raid systems greater than 5.




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