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Issues with Groups



Hello all

I'm running OS 10.4.2 Server. I have problem creating Groups in my local server. I went to the management server and I created a "testgroup" on afp://servername.wsusd.edu/Groups/ --it doesn't works--. Any ideas....
Thanks,

Victor

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Third party disks in Xserve RAID - Works (Joseph Boykin)
   2. Re: Third party disks in Xserve RAID - Works (Valerio Luccio)
   3. Re: Third party disks in Xserve RAID - Works (Valerio Luccio)
   4. Re: Performance influence of Server Admin (Joseph Boykin)
   5. Re: Third party disks in Xserve RAID - Works (John C. Welch)
   6. Secure AFP (David Muszynski)
   7. Re: Samba Errors (The web guy)
   8. Re: Passwords in 10.4 -- "crypt" vs. "open directory"?
      (Finlay Dobbie)
   9. Kerberos errors... (The web guy)
  10. Blowers (David Panush)
  11. Pinging (Marcelo Pergolini)
  12. Re: Blowers shown as failing by Server Monitor  (John Gerth)
  13. Re: CD stacking in OS X server (Valerio Luccio)
  14. AD groups not working in 10.4.2 Server (Kevin Anderson)
  15. Re: Pinging (Simon Slavin)
  16. Re: CD stacking in OS X server (Simon Slavin)
  17. RE: Pinging (Santiago Martinez)
  18. MapServer (Bill Whitacre)
  19. Re: auto log out feature (Brad Arendt)
  20. G4 false blower failure indication (Kevin Anderson)
  21. Re: CD stacking in OS X server (Craig Kabis)
  22. Re: Blowers shown as failing by Server Monitor  (Philip Ershler)
  23. Re: G4 false blower failure indication (Robert Marking)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:23:18 -0400
From: Joseph Boykin <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Third party disks in Xserve RAID - Works
To: david chan <email@hidden>, David Miller
	<email@hidden>,	"email@hidden"
	<email@hidden>
Message-ID: <p0610050ebf1e5e38c639@[192.168.69.34]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

At 3:51 PM -0700 8/8/05, david chan wrote:
>I just noticed that WD has three lines of server grade SATA/IDE-PATA drives
>available. Are you saying that WD cannot produce any reliable drives worth
>putting into a server environment? I'd like to know because none of the
>other manufacturers have a line of server grade drives - or at least are
>marketing SATA/IDE-PATA drives as such.

I have no experience with the WD "Enterprise Drives" so I can't 
comment on them specifically.

In general, and from a *lot* of past experience, I would never (ever 
ever) buy a WD drive.

Your mileage may vary...

jb


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 09:35:17 -0400
From: Valerio Luccio <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Third party disks in Xserve RAID - Works
Cc: Mac OSX <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Jamie McParland wrote:

>Also thanks to an idiot tech on the phone I lost my array. Awesome! Right
>now 
>I'm not to happy about this purchase but I guess that's OT.
>
Thanks to an idiot on-site Apple engineer we lost 2 RAIDs ....

I'm actually happy about the purchase. I just think that Apple, like all 
manufacturers, prices the original hardware very agressively and then 
makes the money back on spare part (somewhere I read that if you build a 
Honda Civic by buying all the parts individually from Honda, it would 
cost you over $45K).

-- 
Valerio Luccio			(212) 998-8736
Center for Brain Imaging	4 Washington Place, Room 158
New York University		New York, NY 10003

        "In an open world, who needs windows or gates?"



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 09:55:53 -0400
From: Valerio Luccio <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Third party disks in Xserve RAID - Works
To: David Haines <email@hidden>
Cc: email@hidden
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

David Haines wrote:

>You've made your choice, play your odds.
>
>Please just don't come to an Apple-hosted list and post what amounts to
>baiting. 
>  
>
Some of you people really have a huge chip on your shoulder, you'd think 
I had insulted your mama.

If you think that this ammounted to "baiting", that's probably because 
is the kind of thing you would do. In 23 years in this business I've 
never baited anyone. I expect a public apology.

One more time: I decided to take the chance and try this. I then decided 
to let the list know that it seemed to work and I will let you know in 
the future if it was worth it or not.

-- 
Valerio Luccio			(212) 998-8736
Center for Brain Imaging	4 Washington Place, Room 158
New York University		New York, NY 10003

        "In an open world, who needs windows or gates?"



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:06:26 -0400
From: Joseph Boykin <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Performance influence of Server Admin
To: Peter Luit - LUIT Consultancy <email@hidden>,
	<email@hidden>
Message-ID: <p06100510bf1e66e3ce58@[192.168.69.34]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

At 2:44 PM +0200 8/9/05, Peter Luit - LUIT Consultancy wrote:
>Does Server Admin influence the Postfix/Qmgr performance when setting
>Auto-refresh status to 20 seconds?


Heck, if it's sitting there idle I've seen 'servermgrd' soaking up CPU cycles.

In the pre 10.4 days there was also a bug where the directory 
/var/spool/cups/tmp would have a constantly growing set of files 
whenever ServerManager was running.  That seems to have been mostly 
fixed in 10.4, but I got into the habit of shutting ServerManager 
down.

Personally, I would leave it shut down whenever possible.

>I noticed 10.4 server to be slow in sending 1400 e-mails compared to 10.3.
>Did anyone else experience this performance difference?


Well, I don't really sit there and watch my mail queue, but mail 
doesn't seem to be seriously delayed since the upgrade to 10.4

jb


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 09:10:35 -0500
From: "John C. Welch" <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Third party disks in Xserve RAID - Works
To: Untitled <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <BF1E238B.19213A5%email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"

On 8/9/05 08:31, "Valerio Luccio" <email@hidden> wrote:

>> Can you get a service contract with a guaranteed replacement time for your
>> cheap drives? 
>> 
>> Can you get your drives replaced before catastrophic failure, when they
>> start smart erroring?
>> 
>> How long does it take for you to get a new drive?
>> 
>> What happens if the new drive is bad?
>> 
>>  
>> 
> Boy, did I kick up a storm ! :)) I just wanted to let you know that it
> worked. A year from now I'll let you know what the reliability was and
> if it was worth it.
> 
> And to answer your questions: yes, I can get a guaranteed replacement in
> 24 hours. I bought an extra drive (just like I would with Apple) so that
> I can swap it in for the defective one and send that to be replaced (or
> buy a new one).

I take it you decided that you're not going to be calling Apple for any
issues on the RAID, since it's not like you're going to be able to give them
the true hardware config, which would make them helping you with problems
effectively impossible?

-- 
John C. Welch         Writer/Analyst
Bynkii.com              Mac and other opinions
email@hidden




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:10:38 -0400
From: David Muszynski <email@hidden>
Subject: Secure AFP
To: Mac OSX <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Up until today I've been the only one that's ever needed access to my  
LAN from the outside world so when I needed to do AFP I would just  
VPN in and do it that way.
I now have a user that needs to get in via AFP to muck with his  
website's files on my server so I opened up 548 and 22 on my  
firewall, made sure that 'Enable Secure Connections' is checked in SA  
and tried it.
I get an error that my server doesn't support secure connections and  
helpfully asks if I'd like to continue with reduced security.
I think that I've got all the relevant entries set on the server, if  
someone could list them that would be helpful. But are there some  
other ports that I should open? Or would it be better to try and  
teach this user who is barely computer literate how to make a VPN  
connection to my LAN, and does 10.3 offer the distinction of private  
network ranges so that only the traffic that needs to goes over the  
VPN or was that a 10.4 update?

Sorry if I'm not being clear enough or providing enough information.  
If you can decipher my meaning I'd appreciate helpful tips or advice  
on what else I should post to make myself more clear.

Thanks,
David


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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:23:09 -0700
From: The web guy <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Samba Errors
To: Mac Server List <email@hidden>
Message-ID:
	<email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Chris,

Have you changed permissions on these shares? A user must be able to  
read through the whole path to the share directory.

Kirk

On Aug 9, 2005, at 4:27 AM, Chad Morris wrote:

> Any clue why I get these errors in my samba log constantly?  My  
> server is a 10.3.9 PDC.
>
> [2005/08/09 07:16:59, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-60.2/samba/source/ 
> smbd/service.c:set_current_service(51)
>   chdir (/Users/Profiles) failed
> [2005/08/09 07:17:06, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-60.2/samba/source/ 
> smbd/service.c:set_current_service(51)
>   chdir (/etc/netlogon) failed
> [2005/08/09 07:21:42, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-60.2/samba/source/ 
> lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1016)
>   getpeername failed. Error was Socket is not connected
> [2005/08/09 07:21:42, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-60.2/samba/source/ 
> lib/util_sock.c:write_socket_data(446)
>   write_socket_data: write failure. Error = Broken pipe
> [2005/08/09 07:21:42, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-60.2/samba/source/ 
> lib/util_sock.c:write_socket(471)
>   write_socket: Error writing 4 bytes to socket 23: ERRNO = Broken  
> pipe
> [2005/08/09 07:21:42, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-60.2/samba/source/ 
> lib/util_sock.c:send_smb(663)
>   Error writing 4 bytes to client. -1. (Broken pipe)
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:22:54 +0100
From: Finlay Dobbie <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Passwords in 10.4 -- "crypt" vs. "open directory"?
To: Simon Slavin <email@hidden>
Cc: MacOS X Server List <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On 09/08/05, Simon Slavin <email@hidden> wrote:
> 
> On 8 Aug 2005, at 7:28pm, Steve Maser wrote:
> 
> > And is there any overall advantage to setting "crypt" passwords
> > over "open directory" passwords?
> 
> 'crypt' is a standard used for passwords in many different Unix
> setups.  If you
> don't need to stick to that particular standard there's no particular
> reason to
> use it.

And actually it's far less secure than Open Directory passwords.

 -- Finlay


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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:29:18 -0700
From: The web guy <email@hidden>
Subject: Kerberos errors...
To: Mac Server List <email@hidden>
Message-ID:
	<email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

I know this has been reported before, but I haven't seen a solution  
on how to fix it. I've done two OD Master Tiger servers over the last  
week, both with seemingly good dns, but both continue to have this  
line in the system log:

"(Server not found in Kerberos database)"

On both servers, OD seems very flaky, lots of random errors in  
Workgroup Manager when dealing with passwords. In both cases I  
haven't added any servers, so I assume its talking about the OD  
Master. Anybody know a good way to figure out which server/service  
kerb is talking about and how I might go about fixing it?

thanks!

Kirk



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:34:33 -0400
From: "David Panush" <email@hidden>
Subject: Blowers
To: email@hidden
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:55:57 -0300
From: Marcelo Pergolini <email@hidden>
Subject: Pinging
To: email@hidden
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi,

I've a 10.4.2 server with dhcp, dns, firewall and opendirectory  
services running ok on an iMac G3 400 (its a test server).  My  
trouble is that after 30 min, when I pinging the iMac, its no  
answer.  It's no Energy saver preference setup trouble (sleep never  
and wake for eth admin access).
When I ping from server to a any host, at the same time the server  
start to answer to the ping from the host, and all services work fine  
again.

Whats would be the trouble?


Thanks



Marcelo


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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 07:58:03 -0700
From: John Gerth <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Blowers shown as failing by Server Monitor 
To: David Panush <email@hidden>
Cc: email@hidden
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

David Panush wrote:
>    My Server Monitor said last night that the Blowers on my Xserve G4 
> are "Failing," but the Temperature was OK. After a reboot, they are 
> functioning normally. I'm pretty sure the blowers were physically off 
> b/c I couldn't hear them or feel any air going in or out of the machine.
> 
> Has anyone had any experience with odd behavior either from the blowers 
> or the monitor itself?
> 
> When I called Apple, they told me to try re-seating the blowers and, if 
> that didn't help, to reset the PMU. Failing that to get the part ordered 
> from an Apple Repair shop. The kit that Apple sells comes with a logic 
> board and is far more expensive then I imagine new blowers would be.
> 
  We've had this spurious warning appear on our G4 starting with the 10.4 seed.
  It comes and goes for no apparent reason and sometimes a reboot won't fix it.



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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:10:46 -0400
From: Valerio Luccio <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: CD stacking in OS X server
Cc: email@hidden
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Marc Sasso wrote:

>Simon,
>
>Try powerfile at
>http://www.dvdjukebox.com/
>  
>
Simon,
I purchased a Powerfile R200 2 years ago, it turned out to be a very 
expensive paper weight. It's basically a useless piece of trash. For the 
first year the software that came with it didn't work properly and would 
constantly hang the system it was attached to. Then they improved the 
drivers, but it's still very slow in mounting drives (can take as much 
as 1 minute to mount a DVD) and you still needed to use the GUI to 
initialize each drive (which in a *nix world when you have to deal with 
200 DVD's is useless).

I haven't played with it in the last 3 months, so maybe they have a new 
version of the software, I only know that I wasted a lot of time and 
money with it. I purchased it on reccomendation from Apple people and 
regretted not having spent the extra money for a real DVD jukebox from a 
serious company.

-- 
Valerio Luccio			(212) 998-8736
Center for Brain Imaging	4 Washington Place, Room 158
New York University		New York, NY 10003

        "In an open world, who needs windows or gates?"



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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:20:46 -0800
From: Kevin Anderson <email@hidden>
Subject: AD groups not working in 10.4.2 Server
To: email@hidden
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Hi All,

I have three remaining Xserves bound to Win2003 AD (the rest are on  
Open Directory). Two servers are at 10.4.2 and one is 10.3.9.  
Everything was working fine with logins and permissions until a few  
days ago. On the 10.4.2 machines, users are able to login just fine,  
but AD groups are not honored and permissions for those groups fail.  
The 10.3.9 server continues to work fine with AD users and groups.

I have unbound and rebound both 10.4.2 servers and even done a clean  
install on one and they will not recognize groups. The groups show up  
in WGM and show the correct users in them, but they are just not  
honored. My AD counterpart said that nothing had changed on the AD  
side in the last two weeks to cause this.

One thing that we tried and had work was changing the primary group  
of a user from domain user to the school staff group. The permissions  
for that user in the school staff group then worked. This is not  
something we would like to do for every AD user at that school.

Has anyone else seen this?

Thanks,
Kevin Anderson
Fairbanks School District


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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:21:26 +0100
From: Simon Slavin <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Pinging
To: MacOS X Server List <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


On 9 Aug 2005, at 3:55pm, Marcelo Pergolini wrote:

> I've a 10.4.2 server with dhcp, dns, firewall and opendirectory  
> services running ok on an iMac G3 400 (its a test server).  My  
> trouble is that after 30 min, when I pinging the iMac, its no  
> answer.  It's no Energy saver preference setup trouble (sleep never  
> and wake for eth admin access).
> When I ping from server to a any host, at the same time the server  
> start to answer to the ping from the host, and all services work  
> fine again.
>
> Whats would be the trouble?

It may be related to networking.  A switch might be optimised for  
routing
traffic fastest for machines sending the most traffic.  Is the path  
between
your client and server computers part of your normal network or do  
you just
have a little minihub between them ?  Could you try it with the two
separated by just a minihub ?

Simon.
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:23:54 +0100
From: Simon Slavin <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: CD stacking in OS X server
To: MacOS X Server List <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed


On 9 Aug 2005, at 4:10pm, Valerio Luccio wrote:

> Marc Sasso wrote:
>
>
>> Simon,
>>
>>
>>
> Simon,
>

Would people please stop addressing /me/ with this ?  I am not the  
original
poster.  I posted an /answer/ to the original poster.  I don't need  
to try
anything.  I'm not particularly interested in the subject.

When responding to a message posted to the list, please just post to  
the list.

Simon.


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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:39:43 -0300
From: "Santiago Martinez" <email@hidden>
Subject: RE: Pinging
To: "'Marcelo Pergolini'" <email@hidden>,
	<email@hidden>
Message-ID:
	<email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

marcelo, por lo que veo hablas espaƱol, asi que
fijate que la placa de red sea full duplex y de 100tx, ese modelo de mac
(va, de ese modelo una de las primeras) venian con placa de 10tx y algunas
no eran muy buenas y les pasaba eso.
los 30 minutios son exactos?? o varia entre pruebas?? 
 

  _____  

From: macos-x-server-bounces+smartinez=email@hidden
[mailto:macos-x-server-bounces+smartinez=email@hidden]
On Behalf Of Marcelo Pergolini
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:56 AM
To: email@hidden
Subject: Pinging


Hi,

I've a 10.4.2 server with dhcp, dns, firewall and opendirectory services
running ok on an iMac G3 400 (its a test server). My trouble is that after
30 min, when I pinging the iMac, its no answer. It's no Energy saver
preference setup trouble (sleep never and wake for eth admin access).
When I ping from server to a any host, at the same time the server start to
answer to the ping from the host, and all services work fine again.

Whats would be the trouble?


Thanks



Marcelo


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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:43:09 -0400
From: Bill Whitacre <email@hidden>
Subject: MapServer
To: email@hidden
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Does anyone have any [successful] experience installing and using the  
binary packages of MapServer available on <http://www.kyngchaos.com/ 
macosx/downloads.php>?

I'm running into problems getting either the PHP or CGI-based  
versions going.

Thanks.

bw

---
Bill Whitacre
email@hidden



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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:45:50 -0600
From: Brad Arendt <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: auto log out feature
To: Dan Shoop <email@hidden>
Cc: email@hidden
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

> Which isn't working, the auto logout or the managed preferences? Are 
> yoru managed preferences showing up? Is this for the 10.3 or 10.4 
> clients? Are the 10.3 clients also at 10.3.8 or better?

Right now I have only tried this for 10.4 clients.  For my one test 
user the managed prefs appear to work fine for everything except the 
auto log out.  I don't have much managed save the dock and some access 
to system prefs.

Brad Arendt
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:56:15 -0800
From: Kevin Anderson <email@hidden>
Subject: G4 false blower failure indication
To: email@hidden
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Hi All,

I've got six G4 Xserves that are giving false blower failure  
indications. These are slot-loading G4 Xserves purchased around the  
end of 03 beginning of 04 time frame. They came with 10.3 and we just  
upgraded them to 10.4 with clean installs. The false blower failure  
indications were happening in 10.3, but they seem to be happening  
more in 10.4. The blowers indicate that they are running 25,000 to  
30,000 rpms. They are actually running at the normal speed and the  
temps are all normal.

Sometimes a reboot fixes the false failure indication, sometimes it  
doesn't.

The other funny thing is sometimes these same Xserves don't reboot  
cleanly. The interface (en0) doesn't come up and the server seems  
hung at a certain point. This requires me to drive to the site and  
manually reboot or have someone there do it. I don't have monitors  
hooked up to them, so I don't know what the screen shows. I only know  
that the server is on, but the interface is not.

The G5 Xserves that we have do not exhibit either problem, nor do the  
tray-loader G4 Xserves.

Anyone else have these problems on the same hardware?

Thanks,
Kevin Anderson
Fairbanks School District


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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:12:07 -0400
From: Craig Kabis <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: CD stacking in OS X server
To: Marc Sasso <email@hidden>
Cc: "email@hidden List"
	<email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

> Try powerfile at
> http://www.dvdjukebox.com/
>

Hold off if you want to use it with Tiger.  They said their  
customized version of Portents DiskTracker would be ready by July.   
It's not done yet.  They are changing that text on their website to  
third quarter.  The rep I talked to a couple days ago said possibly  
the end of August.




>> On 9 Aug 2005, at 5:12am, CL-1 Admin wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Can anyone on the list recommend a method of allowing users
>>>
>>>
> to
>
>
>>> access CD-ROMS needed by clients for learning application
>>>
>>>
>> content?
>>
>>
>>> I would guess, depending on the software, that one way would
>>>
>>>
> be
>
>
>> to
>>
>>
>>> send a .dmg via Remote Desktop to each client.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Make disk images of the CDs.  Put the images on a server.  Let
>>
>>
> the
>
>
>> client computers
>> mount them over the network.
>>
>> This might fail if the manufacturers have used certain kinds of
>> anti-
>> piracy measures
>> in their software.  If this is the case, then the client computer
>> will need the
>> actual CD in their computer -- accept no substitute.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I have seen hardware CD stackers in use in the past. I just
>>>
>>>
> don't
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> know what has replaced them.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Disk images, just as you suspected.
>>
>> Simon.
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:49:01 -0600
From: Philip Ershler <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Blowers shown as failing by Server Monitor 
To: John Gerth <email@hidden>
Cc: email@hidden, David Panush <email@hidden>
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On Aug 9, 2005, at 8:58 AM, John Gerth wrote:

> David Panush wrote:
>
>>    My Server Monitor said last night that the Blowers on my Xserve  
>> G4 are "Failing," but the Temperature was OK. After a reboot, they  
>> are functioning normally. I'm pretty sure the blowers were  
>> physically off b/c I couldn't hear them or feel any air going in  
>> or out of the machine.
>> Has anyone had any experience with odd behavior either from the  
>> blowers or the monitor itself?
>> When I called Apple, they told me to try re-seating the blowers  
>> and, if that didn't help, to reset the PMU. Failing that to get  
>> the part ordered from an Apple Repair shop. The kit that Apple  
>> sells comes with a logic board and is far more expensive then I  
>> imagine new blowers would be.
>>
>  We've had this spurious warning appear on our G4 starting with the  
> 10.4 seed.
>  It comes and goes for no apparent reason and sometimes a reboot  
> won't fix it.
>

     When you get the message from the Server Monitor that the  
blowers are failing, are the blower RPM's out of the normal range?  
I've got one Xserve that occasionally complains that one of the  
blowers is running too fast.

Phil



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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:10:00 -0500
From: Robert Marking <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: G4 false blower failure indication
To: Kevin Anderson <email@hidden>
Cc: email@hidden
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Kevin,

We have two similar XServes and they both showed the same symptoms as  
you are having. I did a clean install on the systems and that seems  
to have helped with some of the problems. However, I am having other  
issues with 10.4 Server.

Robert Marking, ACDT, ACTC
Technology Support Specialist
Stillwater Jr. High School
523 West Marsh Street
Stillwater, MN 55082
651.351.8910
651.351.6999 fax
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On Aug 9, 2005, at 10:56 AM, Kevin Anderson wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've got six G4 Xserves that are giving false blower failure  
> indications. These are slot-loading G4 Xserves purchased around the  
> end of 03 beginning of 04 time frame. They came with 10.3 and we  
> just upgraded them to 10.4 with clean installs. The false blower  
> failure indications were happening in 10.3, but they seem to be  
> happening more in 10.4. The blowers indicate that they are running  
> 25,000 to 30,000 rpms. They are actually running at the normal  
> speed and the temps are all normal.
>
> Sometimes a reboot fixes the false failure indication, sometimes it  
> doesn't.
>
> The other funny thing is sometimes these same Xserves don't reboot  
> cleanly. The interface (en0) doesn't come up and the server seems  
> hung at a certain point. This requires me to drive to the site and  
> manually reboot or have someone there do it. I don't have monitors  
> hooked up to them, so I don't know what the screen shows. I only  
> know that the server is on, but the interface is not.
>
> The G5 Xserves that we have do not exhibit either problem, nor do  
> the tray-loader G4 Xserves.
>
> Anyone else have these problems on the same hardware?
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin Anderson
> Fairbanks School District
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