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Subject: Re: Yet Another Alternative (Re: OSX Server Pieces on Multiple Machines)
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Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:25:19 -0500
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On Dec 31, 2005, at 12:48 , John C. Welch wrote:

On 12/31/05 12:17, "webmaster" <email@hidden> wrote:
On Dec 31, 2005, at 11:44 , John C. Welch wrote:
On 12/31/05 11:16, "webmaster" <email@hidden>
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On Dec 31, 2005, at 10:03 , John C. Welch wrote:
On 12/31/05 07:25, "Robert Dell" <email@hidden> wrote:
if somebody wants to run a dns server only, do it on a client.
if somebody wants to run a web server only, do it on a client.
If you want kerberos, this is incorrect.
That's a load if you're now trying to convince me that kerberos isn't available on client.
Only the client pieces. The KDC bits, and the integration with the
other
pieces are only a part of server. You CAN roll your own KDC, but by
the time
you're done, you'll have spent more in time than you would have
with server.
What KDC bits are missing ???
kdcsetup, sso_util are the fast answers. You can work around them, but how long does it take for your time to add up to $500 bucks?
if somebody wants to run a mail server only, do it on a client.
If you want an easy to maintain user database, this is incorrect.
Server software doesn't give you an easier to maintain database, it
provides you with the same database.
Oh really? So you can show me the full Open Directory
implementation for
creating an OD domain and master that ships standard on client? I
await your
information eagerly.
What you're getting at is it doesn't give you the GUI tools to work
with OD while management via CLI is awkward and cumbersome at best,
but it's still the same database or are you claiming that OSX is the
only OS to provide OD support and the thought that redhat or linux
can use OD is just a passing fancy?
No, the client is actually missing pieces, among them slapconfig, NeST, (not as important as it used to be, but still needed in many implementations), serveradmin, . Open Directory is more than just OpenLDAP and some kerb tools. I've also not found CL management of Open Directory to be any more tedious than the GUI.

I don't use the SA GUI tools and can't endorse them as useful tools when they have a tendency to be destructive so I couldn't tell you.

By the time you beat on OS X client to be able to duplicate Server sans the server administrator tools, you're going to spend as much, if not more in time than the cost of server just getting it ready to go.

What beat?? the server has problems of it's own, by the time you've rebuilt some binaries fixing Apple's screw-ups and faulty programming, it doesn't matter if you do it on server or client, you can chose to work with broken software and a GUI if it's what you want, you can chose to fix the problems and use the Apple provided GUI tools if you want and you're free like others are to use without a GUI and there are other GUI tools besides those provided by Apple so there are always options.

Maybe your time is of little to no value to you, but I don't have time to waste on proving that something can be done when there's no technical reason to justify it. That's just ego and sysadmindick-waving, and I don't get paid for that.

Right, time, let's see, I start my script, go to sleep, wake up and it's fixed, what time have I lost or wasted???

I get it now, you're one of those who'd rather play with a broken toy because it's provided by Apple rather than one that works properly.

While I think it's nice that you are dedicated to Apple with a do or die mentality, it's a shame they aren't as dedicated towards you and not offered you broken goods hidden behind some new offered feature that's probably nothing more than eye-candy.

--
John C. Welch         Writer/Analyst


-- Dale

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