Thread-topic: Yet Another Alternative (Re: OSX Server Pieces on Multiple Machines)
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On 12/31/05 21:25, "webmaster" <email@hidden> wrote:
>> No, the client is actually missing pieces, among them slapconfig,
>> NeST, (not
>> as important as it used to be, but still needed in many
>> implementations),
>> serveradmin, . Open Directory is more than just OpenLDAP and some kerb
>> tools. I've also not found CL management of Open Directory to be
>> any more
>> tedious than the GUI.
>
> I don't use the SA GUI tools and can't endorse them as useful tools
> when they have a tendency to be destructive so I couldn't tell you.
Other than the well-known DNS issues, (which, since you can't fully
configure DNS with them *anyway* makes that pretty much a non-issue), the
Server Admin tools are not possessed of a "tendency to be destructive".
>
>> By the time you beat on OS X client to be able to duplicate Server
>> sans the
>> server administrator tools, you're going to spend as much, if not
>> more in
>> time than the cost of server just getting it ready to go.
>
> What beat?? the server has problems of it's own, by the time you've
> rebuilt some binaries fixing Apple's screw-ups and faulty
> programming, it doesn't matter if you do it on server or client, you
> can chose to work with broken software and a GUI if it's what you
> want, you can chose to fix the problems and use the Apple provided
> GUI tools if you want and you're free like others are to use without
> a GUI and there are other GUI tools besides those provided by Apple
> so there are always options.
Again, show me how, with the same level of effort, you're going to replicate
Open Directory and all its management capabilities in client as you get from
Server.
>
>> Maybe your time is of little to no value to you, but I don't have
>> time to
>> waste on proving that something can be done when there's no
>> technical reason
>> to justify it. That's just ego and sysadmindick-waving, and I don't
>> get paid
>> for that.
>
> Right, time, let's see, I start my script, go to sleep, wake up and
> it's fixed, what time have I lost or wasted???
>
> I get it now, you're one of those who'd rather play with a broken toy
> because it's provided by Apple rather than one that works properly.
Again, show me your homegrown replacement for Open Directory and it's
featureset that works transparently with other OS X and windows clients, AND
takes less or equal effort to using server.
>
> While I think it's nice that you are dedicated to Apple with a do or
> die mentality, it's a shame they aren't as dedicated towards you and
> not offered you broken goods hidden behind some new offered feature
> that's probably nothing more than eye-candy.
It's a shame that I'm thinking you are not being terribly clear about
exactly what you're talking about, thereby allowing you to make any claims
you like.
--
John C. Welch Writer/Analyst
Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions
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