On Jun 28, 2006, at 1:47 AM, Jordan Krushen wrote:
> Have you used links (the text-based web browser), for example? You
> can click (with the mouse) on highlighted links, it has a menubar,
> windows, tabs, and color. You can do all that stuff with standard
> terminal emulation. I'm sure a few MUD/MUSH systems (accessed via
> telnet/ssh) out there these days do what you're asking already.
Lynx? Yeah, back in the old days. Wasn't really impressed.
It works in both graphical (X11) and text-based modes.. see the two
sets of screenshots. Again, links was just an example of how terminal
apps do support the mouse, menus, colour, etc., not an example of how
I think all apps should be written. I don't use the mouse in vi, for
example, even though I could use Terminal.app's "Option click to
position cursor" feature.
Not sure if it's in darwinports or fink (its name makes it a pain to
find, sometimes). I usually have it installed on my FreeBSD machines
from the ports collection. I just played with running it from
Terminal.app (via SSH to a FreeBSD box), and it's not an
out-of-the-box working setup (it works, but you have to enable colour,
mouse, etc). Things that always used to 'just work' with in xterm
windows tend to take a little more work in Terminal. Macs may 'just
work' for GUI stuff, but old 'nix machines 'just work' for pretty much
everything else.
links isn't the be-all and end-all of text interfaces, but I've been
using it for years (except recently), and it's always struck me as
quite a usable browser, considering it's all drawn with text. When
all you've got is SSH connectivity (having X11 installed on a server
often isn't a good idea), text mode is still quite usable and fast --
even over a modem, which RD/VNC certainly isn't.
> It's not about Terminal.app,
It is in the sense that Terminal.app (with bash or tcsh) is the
common configuration of most newbie OSXS admins. Very few folks tweak
terminal.app or use other solutions. As mentioned by one poster, some
expect not to use it at all.
I think that expectation may be an unfair one, given OS X's heritage.
Even the Windows admins I know use DOS boxes now and then --
understandable, given their GUI :) That's OK of course, 'cause
ignorance of the toolset isn't a crime, but once aware of it, one
should approach its understanding like they would any other tool. A
shell isn't a lack of an interface, it's just a different one :) A
shell is admittedly not the best interface for visualization, but for
issuing commands or editing text, it kicks ass. As much as I love
Cocoa, I still use vi to edit text.
thanks for the thoughtful feedback Jordan, I appreciate it.
No problem, that is why we're here, right? ;) Well, to give some kind
of feedback, anyway..
J.
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