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Re: TMDA - the Tagged Message Delivery Agent .



At 9:55 PM -0800 2/18/07, Fred Alger wrote:
Hi Dave,

and whether or not this is even a sane idea.


Challenge-response (one component of TMDA) is an insane idea unless you are certain that [1] you'll never challenge an innocent third party (hint-- you will) and [2] people want to give you their business so much that they'll accept having to jump through some hoops to do so (hint-- they won't).

Thanks for the quick reply. My employer likes the challenge-response system, which we use for some of our current in-house email addresses (hosted elsewhere), and we'd like to offer it to our clients (we host about 15 websites with corresponding email accounts) on an "opt-in" basis, not force it blindly across the board.

It doesn't matter if you're just offering people bathwater with their wine, it's still woolly thinking.


At the risk of sounding like Dan, a well-configured Exim setup plus a tuned
SpamAssassin install should allow you to safely reject 99% of incoming spam
and tag the remainder for special handling. (I don't quite share Dan's faith
in sender callout verification, however; I've found I have to add 1-2 legit
senders a week to my exempt-from-verification list as some legit bulk mail
will otherwise fail that test.)

Spam is best handled when it's never accepted. This can occur through a variety of tests before you accept the message. Exim excels at this.


If you want very, very strong message discrimination, after it's been accepted into the system, you might want to look at CRM-114 instead of SA.

I'd love to hear more about your Exim-foo because, frankly, we are getting a lot of spam right now, even after following Apple's (may I interject: pretty shallow) Mail Services guide. I've moved the SpamAssassin slider down a couple of ticks, but this doesn't really seem to make a difference...

Because it's a filter, and you need good criteria to filter on. Train SA better.


But as pointed out exim offers far more in the MTA itself. Here's how one person uses it: http://www.ctyme.com/hosting/how-spam-filter-works.htm and has written about just a few of the common exim tricks.

--

-dhan

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