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Changing server domain name



Hi all. I need to change a server's domain name (including OD master, web, and email services), and keep the old domain/email active for a period of time. I just want to double-check that I'm not missing anything...

1. Setup new-domain.com DNS and MX records at registrar
2. Add MX record to old-domain.com to point to server.new-domain.com
3. Set up new-domain.com site in Web service
4. Run changeip to change names (including Kerberos settings)
5. Add email@hidden shortnames to user accounts to continue to receive old-domain.com email


Am I missing anything or does anyone have comments/suggestions/ caveats to share from experience in performing this procedure? Thanks!

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: IP Failover (Dan Shoop)
   2. Re: DNS issues (Dan Shoop)
   3. Re: IP Failover (Dan Shoop)
   4. Re: DNS issues (Dan Shoop)
   5. FW800 ports not working (Marq Speck)
   6. Re: CGI-BIN Permissions Issue..? | .cgi file needs to extract
      a  gzip (Patrick Schwisow)
   7. Re: DNS issues (Patrick Schwisow)
   8. Re: FW800 ports not working (Don McHose)
   9. Re: SNMP broken on Intel XServers? (John C. Welch)
  10. Re: CGI-BIN Permissions Issue..? | .cgi file needs to extract
      a  gzip (John C. Welch)
  11. Re: IP Failover (Jonathan Dobbie)
  12. Re: IP Failover (Eric Berna)
  13. Re: DNS issues (Greg McMenamin)
  14. RE: Mac lockups or Blue Screen ( Spotlight ) (henri)
  15. Re: Software Update (Jacob White)
  16. Re: FW800 ports not working (Arulchandran P)
  17. RE: Mac lockups or Blue Screen ( Spotlight ) (CanzoneriK)

From: Dan Shoop <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 1:40:08 PM CST
To: Eric Berna <email@hidden>, Mac OS X Server list <macos-x- email@hidden>
Subject: Re: IP Failover



At 12:28 PM -0600 3/8/07, Eric Berna wrote:
On 3/8/07 12:17 PM, "Dan Shoop" <email@hidden> wrote:

At 5:17 PM -0600 3/7/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
 On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:16 PM, Dan Shoop wrote:

At 2:56 PM -0600 3/7/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
Can IP Failover watch two servers instead of one?

How can two servers be up and both have the same IP?


One computer watching two IPs hosted on two separate servers. If
either master downs, the slave takes over. If both down, we're SOL.
Kinda like RAID 5 for servers.

And if both went down? See the problem?

Nope, don't see the problem.

How can two different servers failover to one? If both are down one's left hanging.


Any computer can have multiple IP addresses.

Yes but we're testing the IP to see if the whole box is down not if an IP is off the air.


If both masters go down, they should both failover to the slave.

How? You only have one box for both boxes to fall over too.

These aren't masters and slaves this is one active server and one fallback server. It's a one to one relationship, implied.

 The slave
would then be servicing the two down IP addresses.

It's not "servicing an IP address" it's monitoring an IP address to see if the server with that IP address is stil alive. If it's dead then it assumes the role of that server.


You're conceptualism of this is completely wrong, hence the woolly thinking.

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From: Dan Shoop <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 1:43:57 PM CST
To: John Easthope <email@hidden>, <macos-x- email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DNS issues



At 11:30 AM -0700 3/8/07, John Easthope wrote:
Our environment suffers from old, unreliable DNS servers. I am aware of the
importance of good DNS servers in an OS X environment and we have approached
management about updating these servers but currently we have no budget to
replace them. (Educational institute.)

Considering DNS hosting by very reputable services can be had for the cost of a beer if you have no budget for that how about placing a collection jar by the coffee pot? Seriously.


We occasionally have networking outages from our remote schools to the
central DNS servers or more commonly the DNS servers just stop working or
responding.

Then this is just a poor network architecture.

 When this occurs our OS X workstations and network users can no
longer log into the school server.

As expected.

The workstations and the AFP servers reside in the same building

Then make the AFP server box a caching DNS resolver.

I have examined the network traffic using tcpdump and have confirmed that
the workstations are indeed making a request to the central DNS servers to
resolve the name of the server. When the DNS servers respond, everything
works. When they don't, no one can login until DNS services are restored.

Again this is expected behavaior.

My question for the group is...

Is there a simple method to make the workstations reliably find the local
server without making a request to the central DNS servers?

You should have a local, caching DNS server.

Talk to your network architect.
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From: Dan Shoop <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 1:47:22 PM CST
To: Jonathan Dobbie <email@hidden>, OSXS Server list <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: IP Failover



At 12:30 PM -0600 3/8/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
On Mar 8, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Dan Shoop wrote:

At 5:17 PM -0600 3/7/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:16 PM, Dan Shoop wrote:

At 2:56 PM -0600 3/7/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
Can IP Failover watch two servers instead of one?

How can two servers be up and both have the same IP?


One computer watching two IPs hosted on two separate servers. If either master downs, the slave takes over. If both down, we're SOL.
Kinda like RAID 5 for servers.

And if both went down? See the problem? --

No.

I like RAID 5. The chances of a double failure are low with a small array of drives. I'm looking into buying an array with either 12 or 16 drives this summer. I'll want that to have RAID 6 because I'm willing to bet my data on two drives not dying on a boot.

RAID 6? You're joking, right?

I've never had two servers simultaneously crash.

Consider yourself lucky then.

So, the one slave would watch two master, if the slave sees a failure, it covers for the downed master and stops watching the other one. When the master comes back up the slave goes back to watching both.

As I stated previously these aren't really master/slave, they are two clones one of which is active. The configuration and everything is supposed to be identical between the active and failto member. If you have two different servers then one is not the same as the other.
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From: Dan Shoop <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 1:49:25 PM CST
To: John Easthope <email@hidden>, Eric Berna <email@hidden>, "email@hidden" <macos-x- email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DNS issues



At 11:59 AM -0700 3/8/07, John Easthope wrote:
We have looked at this before and the Networking Gods would not give us
permission to run local DNS servers. (We really want to do this!) Thanks for
the suggestion though.

Then someone obviously doesn't understand DNS.

Either you've failed to understand how DNS get's cached or they've not understood that "DNS server" doesn't mean primary.
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From: Marq Speck <email@hidden> Date: March 8, 2007 2:03:27 PM CST To: <email@hidden> Subject: FW800 ports not working


Greetings, listers.
Suddenly both FW800 ports on our G5 Dual 2.3 Xserve have gone dumb.
Nothing mounts on them, although everything mounts on the front FW400 port.
The same devices DO mount on our backup G5 Xserve so I believe the cables
and externals are fine.
Just started this behaivior - we used those ports last weekend for backups.
Anything I can try to do or reset?
AppleCare says to swap out the motherboard but that seems quite a solution
to start with.
Thanks for your time, expertise and bandwidth.
Q


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From: "Patrick Schwisow" <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 2:28:39 PM CST
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: CGI-BIN Permissions Issue..? | .cgi file needs to extract a gzip



On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:16:35, Dan Shoop wrote:

Without knowing what problems you're experiencing, rather than what you've done and had no affect it makes it difficult. Unfortunatley my office hae implemented a "no animal entrails in the workplace" policy so augury attempt to divine what errors you're getting aren't possible at this time.


It's a pretty strict policy. Around here entrails are fine, but they must
be stored internally at all times.


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Web Information Manager
Waukegan Public School District 60
http://www.waukeganschools.org/

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From: "Patrick Schwisow" <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 2:39:47 PM CST
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: DNS issues


On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:24:06, david wrote:

On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:59 PM, John Easthope wrote:

We have looked at this before and the Networking Gods would not give us permission to run local DNS servers. (We really want to do this!) Thanks for the suggestion though.

Sounds somewhat farcical :(
Perhaps you might suggest that these self-titled (?) Networking
"Gods" should then fix the issues that you
"...occasionally have networking outages from our remote schools to the
central DNS servers or more commonly the DNS servers just stop
working or responding"

Perhaps the "gods" just created your "universe" and left it up to you to
figure out how to live in it. Apparently your "universe" is barely
capable of supporting life. If your "prayers" to the "gods" are not being
answered, I suggest moving to a different "universe".


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Waukegan Public School District 60
http://www.waukeganschools.org/

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From: Don McHose <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 2:40:16 PM CST
To: Marq Speck <email@hidden>, OS X Server List <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: FW800 ports not working



Fire wire ports can be hosed up ( burned out ) due to poorly made wiring terminals and a mismatch during a hot plugin.
It is also true that they can also go deaf from time to time for no reason at all. To jog it back into operation, unplug everything from your mac. Power , network, USB,Firewire... everything except video and let the machine sit for 10-15 min.
Now reconnect the essentials~ power and the USB keyboard/mouse and start up your mac. Your Firewire controller should be now reset. If that does not work then the Apple tech may have a good point ;-(
Don McHose
On Mar 8, 2007, at 15:03 PM, Marq Speck wrote:


Greetings, listers.
Suddenly both FW800 ports on our G5 Dual 2.3 Xserve have gone dumb.




From: "John C. Welch" <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 2:44:30 PM CST
To: Server Mac <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: SNMP broken on Intel XServers?


On 3/8/07 12:34, "Chris Reimer" <email@hidden> wrote:

Are there any known solutions or workarounds for this problem?

  root@intel-xserver# /usr/sbin/snmpd -f -Le -C
  init_kmem: kvm_openfiles failed: /dev/mem: No such file or directory

As far as I can see, the snmpd that Apple is shipping simply doesn't run on Intel Macs/XServers. Is that really possible?

I've seen this same failure on client systems running 10.4.8, 10.4.7, and on a spiffy new XServer (running 10.4.8). snmpd works fine on G5 systems.

ANY pointers to what's going on here would be GREATLY appreciated...

1) Run sudo snmpconf –i, so that snmp and snmpd are properly configured.
2) the –C option says “don’t use any config files except what’s specified by –c, but you don’t have a –c option
3) Use sudo SystemStarter start SNMP since SNMP is in /System/ Library/Startupitems.


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From: "John C. Welch" <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 2:45:50 PM CST
To: Server Mac <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: CGI-BIN Permissions Issue..? | .cgi file needs to extract a gzip



On 3/8/07 14:28, "Patrick Schwisow" <email@hidden> wrote:


Without knowing what problems you're experiencing, rather than what
you've done and had no affect it makes it difficult. Unfortunatley my
office hae implemented a "no animal entrails in the workplace" policy
so augury attempt to divine what errors you're getting aren't
possible at this time.



It's a pretty strict policy. Around here entrails are fine, but they must
be stored internally at all times.

yeah, and tea leaves just don't cut it. Entrails rock, but tea leaves are
the Beavis and Butt-head of augury. All they ever tell you is that you said
"butt", and then they do that laugh.


Stupid tea leaves.

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Bynkii.com              Mac and other opinions
email@hidden






From: Jonathan Dobbie <email@hidden> Date: March 8, 2007 2:52:18 PM CST To: OSXS Server list <email@hidden> Subject: Re: IP Failover


On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Dan Shoop wrote:

At 12:30 PM -0600 3/8/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
On Mar 8, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Dan Shoop wrote:

At 5:17 PM -0600 3/7/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:16 PM, Dan Shoop wrote:

At 2:56 PM -0600 3/7/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
Can IP Failover watch two servers instead of one?

How can two servers be up and both have the same IP?


One computer watching two IPs hosted on two separate servers. If either master downs, the slave takes over. If both down, we're SOL.
Kinda like RAID 5 for servers.

And if both went down? See the problem? --

No.

I like RAID 5. The chances of a double failure are low with a small array of drives. I'm looking into buying an array with either 12 or 16 drives this summer. I'll want that to have RAID 6 because I'm willing to bet my data on two drives not dying on a boot.

RAID 6? You're joking, right?

For wanting to withstand a double disk failure? No, I'm not. I'm willing to trade slightly degraded write performance for peace of mind. And, if we are blessed with ZFS, it'll be much more of a factor then RAID 5 vs RAID 6.


(For the peanut gallery: RAID 6 is any RAID that can withstand a simultaneous failure of 2 disks. Log file systems have much better RAID write performance at the expense of read performance, but RAIDs have much better read than write performance and read performance is more easily helped by caching.)
I've never had two servers simultaneously crash.

Consider yourself lucky then.

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck"


So, the one slave would watch two master, if the slave sees a failure, it covers for the downed master and stops watching the other one. When the master comes back up the slave goes back to watching both.

As I stated previously these aren't really master/slave, they are two clones one of which is active. The configuration and everything is supposed to be identical between the active and failto member. If you have two different servers then one is not the same as the other.
--

For one thing, you are making a lot of assumptions, and for another you're forgetting that all of this is scriptable. Services can be stopped and started and configuration files moved around before and after the IP switches. Clusterd didn't make it into Tiger.


Consider the following example:
Two identical servers (homedirs1 and homedirs2) are AFP NAS heads for a SAN.
tools is a general purpose computer on the same SAN that does important things, but nothing that will be noticed too quickly


because homedirs1 and homedirs2 share the same storage, all home directories can be access on either, LDAP is being used to load balance between them.

Let's keep this simple. tools doesn't normally serve AFP, so it's configuration is kept in sync with homedirs1 and homedirs2. If our friendly venomous ocelot wanders in and borks homedirs2, all tools really needs is the ip and then to launch AFP.

just because the ideal case is one where everything is identical doesn't mean that it is the only case. And they very much are master and slave:
failoverd [-d | -n | -x] [-p port] master_priv_addr


I like that after all this, you've said nothing that is at all helpful to the initial query.




From: Eric Berna <email@hidden> Date: March 8, 2007 3:00:00 PM CST To: Mac OS X Server list <email@hidden> Subject: Re: IP Failover


On 3/8/07 1:40 PM, "Dan Shoop" <email@hidden> wrote:

At 12:28 PM -0600 3/8/07, Eric Berna wrote:
On 3/8/07 12:17 PM, "Dan Shoop" <email@hidden> wrote:

At 5:17 PM -0600 3/7/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
 On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:16 PM, Dan Shoop wrote:

At 2:56 PM -0600 3/7/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
Can IP Failover watch two servers instead of one?

How can two servers be up and both have the same IP?


One computer watching two IPs hosted on two separate servers. If
either master downs, the slave takes over. If both down, we're SOL.
Kinda like RAID 5 for servers.

And if both went down? See the problem?

Nope, don't see the problem.

How can two different servers failover to one? If both are down one's left hanging.

Any computer can have multiple IP addresses.

Yes but we're testing the IP to see if the whole box is down not if an IP is off the air.

If both masters go down, they should both failover to the slave.

How? You only have one box for both boxes to fall over too.

These aren't masters and slaves this is one active server and one
fallback server. It's a one to one relationship, implied.

 The slave
would then be servicing the two down IP addresses.

It's not "servicing an IP address" it's monitoring an IP address to see if the server with that IP address is stil alive. If it's dead then it assumes the role of that server.

You're conceptualism of this is completely wrong, hence the woolly thinking.

No, I think you're conceptualism is too limited.

Imagine this hypothetical situation with Server A as an AFP server, Server H
as a Web server, Server B as the backup server, and all data is on a SAN.
Server B can have the same AFP configuration as Server A and the same Web
server configuration as H. Server B can step in for either server, or even
both servers. The opposite process happens all the time, when busy servers
are split into multiple machines to improve performance.


Of course you can't have one slave server taking over for two differently
configured but same service servers at the same time. (E.g. AFP server A1
and AFP server A2 couldn't failover to Server B at the same time.)


Yet, if you can write a ProcessFailover script that can properly configure
the backup server, one backup server could be prepared to take over for two
different servers. If it does take over for say Server A1, it should stop
listening for Server A2's heartbeat (the ProcessFailover script kills all
other instances of failoverd). Then if Server A2 fails, it has no backup.


The only reason why this wouldn't work is if failoverd can't have multiple
instances running at the same time. Such a configuration isn't as good as a
one-to-one master/slave IP failover configuration, but would be much
cheaper.


Also, what's wrong with the phrase "servicing an IP address"? IP failover
is used to offer high availability of a service to clients at a particular
IP address. The master and the slave are available to offer a service at
that IP address. So one or the other is servicing the IP address. Sure,
it's a casual phrase, but I'm writing for a e-mail discussion list, not
technical specifications.


Eric Berna
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From: "Greg McMenamin" <email@hidden> Date: March 8, 2007 3:17:29 PM CST To: <email@hidden> Subject: Re: DNS issues


My question for the group is...

Is there a simple method to make the workstations reliably find the local
server without making a request to the central DNS servers?

add an entry to each client's host file, perhaps?

It's not elegant and it is certainly not the best solution in terms of
ongoing maintenance, but it should work, shouldn't it?

Greg McMenamin





From: henri <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 3:22:58 PM CST
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: Mac lockups or Blue Screen ( Spotlight )


Sorry this was posted a while ago...

Remove all the font caches.
Consider using a Font Manager ( you may already be using one )
This seems to be a general font cache issue with 10.4.

Also, as others have said, this is probably not the right list for this question.

Hope that helps.

Henri.


On 9/02/2007, at 4:36 AM, email@hidden wrote:

We are a Desktop Publisher and are getting Macs locking up when working in
Quark XPress 6.5 or Adobe InDesign CS2. They can just be working away and
Mac locks up.


Or during Startup, they get the ? Blue Screen ? with Spotlight showing in
the upper Right Corner.


From: Jacob White <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 3:28:55 PM CST
To: Wayne Wilkin <email@hidden>
Cc: macosx-server List <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Software Update


You might want to check and see if you were running a local software update server.
Try:
# defaults read com.apple.SoftwareUpdate CatalogURL


On Feb 25, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Wayne Wilkin wrote:

Dual 2 Ghz G5 Server 6 Gig Ram X.4.8

The server currently now is in Massachusetts. It was originally configured for one of our offices in New York. The New York Office shut down and I got it. The server only host's mac and windows file sharing, that's it.

The server is not getting any software updates. When I launch Software update I a message:

A Network error has occurred unsupported URL (-1002). Make sure you can connect to the Internet, then try again.

The computer can connect to the Internet, sharing works, users connect etc. The only thing I can think of is that somewhere there needs to be a change made to were the computers gets it's IP information from. I manually changed basic IP information for the en0 and en1 ports for the new network but I just feel that there is some hidden Network change that needs to be done, and I just don't know were that might be, any help would be appreciated, thanks Wayne.
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From: Arulchandran P <email@hidden> Date: March 8, 2007 3:36:15 PM CST To: Marq Speck <email@hidden> Cc: email@hidden Subject: Re: FW800 ports not working


It's very unlikely for both back ports to fail while the front port keeps working, because the front port is connected to the rear PHY just like the back ports.


I would suggest a cold power-down - remove AC power (both AC power cords, if the unit has a spare power supply :-)

If the results are inconclusive, the next step is to reboot the XServe into TDM and then try connecting it to another Mac, once for each port.

-Arul

On Mar 8, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Marq Speck wrote:

Greetings, listers.
Suddenly both FW800 ports on our G5 Dual 2.3 Xserve have gone dumb.
Nothing mounts on them, although everything mounts on the front FW400 port.
The same devices DO mount on our backup G5 Xserve so I believe the cables
and externals are fine.
Just started this behaivior - we used those ports last weekend for backups.
Anything I can try to do or reset?
AppleCare says to swap out the motherboard but that seems quite a solution
to start with.
Thanks for your time, expertise and bandwidth.
Q


Marq Andrew Speck
Complimentary Tech Support
“You’re Still My Favorite!”
734.464.8100 ph
734.464.4133 fax





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From: "CanzoneriK" <email@hidden> Date: March 8, 2007 3:36:43 PM CST To: <email@hidden> Subject: RE: Mac lockups or Blue Screen ( Spotlight )


Try running a tool such as Tiger Cache Cleaner or Main Menu.



Kurt


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Sorry this was posted a while ago...



Remove all the font caches.

Consider using a Font Manager ( you may already be using one )

This seems to be a general font cache issue with 10.4.



Also, as others have said, this is probably not the right list for this question.



Hope that helps.



Henri.






On 9/02/2007, at 4:36 AM, email@hidden wrote:




We are a Desktop Publisher and are getting Macs locking up when working in
Quark XPress 6.5 or Adobe InDesign CS2. They can just be working away and
Mac locks up.


Or during Startup, they get the ? Blue Screen ? with Spotlight showing in
the upper Right Corner.




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