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Today's Topics:
1. Re: IP Failover (Dan Shoop)
2. Re: DNS issues (Dan Shoop)
3. Re: IP Failover (Dan Shoop)
4. Re: DNS issues (Dan Shoop)
5. FW800 ports not working (Marq Speck)
6. Re: CGI-BIN Permissions Issue..? | .cgi file needs to extract
a gzip (Patrick Schwisow)
7. Re: DNS issues (Patrick Schwisow)
8. Re: FW800 ports not working (Don McHose)
9. Re: SNMP broken on Intel XServers? (John C. Welch)
10. Re: CGI-BIN Permissions Issue..? | .cgi file needs to extract
a gzip (John C. Welch)
11. Re: IP Failover (Jonathan Dobbie)
12. Re: IP Failover (Eric Berna)
13. Re: DNS issues (Greg McMenamin)
14. RE: Mac lockups or Blue Screen ( Spotlight ) (henri)
15. Re: Software Update (Jacob White)
16. Re: FW800 ports not working (Arulchandran P)
17. RE: Mac lockups or Blue Screen ( Spotlight ) (CanzoneriK)
From: Dan Shoop <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 1:40:08 PM CST
To: Eric Berna <email@hidden>, Mac OS X Server list <macos-x-
email@hidden>
Subject: Re: IP Failover
At 12:28 PM -0600 3/8/07, Eric Berna wrote:
On 3/8/07 12:17 PM, "Dan Shoop" <email@hidden> wrote:
At 5:17 PM -0600 3/7/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:16 PM, Dan Shoop wrote:
At 2:56 PM -0600 3/7/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
Can IP Failover watch two servers instead of one?
How can two servers be up and both have the same IP?
One computer watching two IPs hosted on two separate servers. If
either master downs, the slave takes over. If both down, we're
SOL.
Kinda like RAID 5 for servers.
And if both went down? See the problem?
Nope, don't see the problem.
How can two different servers failover to one? If both are down
one's left hanging.
Any computer can have multiple IP addresses.
Yes but we're testing the IP to see if the whole box is down not if
an IP is off the air.
If both masters go down, they should both failover to the slave.
How? You only have one box for both boxes to fall over too.
These aren't masters and slaves this is one active server and one
fallback server. It's a one to one relationship, implied.
The slave
would then be servicing the two down IP addresses.
It's not "servicing an IP address" it's monitoring an IP address to
see if the server with that IP address is stil alive. If it's dead
then it assumes the role of that server.
You're conceptualism of this is completely wrong, hence the woolly
thinking.
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From: Dan Shoop <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 1:43:57 PM CST
To: John Easthope <email@hidden>, <macos-x-
email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DNS issues
At 11:30 AM -0700 3/8/07, John Easthope wrote:
Our environment suffers from old, unreliable DNS servers. I am
aware of the
importance of good DNS servers in an OS X environment and we have
approached
management about updating these servers but currently we have no
budget to
replace them. (Educational institute.)
Considering DNS hosting by very reputable services can be had for
the cost of a beer if you have no budget for that how about placing
a collection jar by the coffee pot? Seriously.
We occasionally have networking outages from our remote schools to
the
central DNS servers or more commonly the DNS servers just stop
working or
responding.
Then this is just a poor network architecture.
When this occurs our OS X workstations and network users can no
longer log into the school server.
As expected.
The workstations and the AFP servers reside in the same building
Then make the AFP server box a caching DNS resolver.
I have examined the network traffic using tcpdump and have
confirmed that
the workstations are indeed making a request to the central DNS
servers to
resolve the name of the server. When the DNS servers respond,
everything
works. When they don't, no one can login until DNS services are
restored.
Again this is expected behavaior.
My question for the group is...
Is there a simple method to make the workstations reliably find
the local
server without making a request to the central DNS servers?
You should have a local, caching DNS server.
Talk to your network architect.
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From: Dan Shoop <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 1:47:22 PM CST
To: Jonathan Dobbie <email@hidden>, OSXS Server list
<email@hidden>
Subject: Re: IP Failover
At 12:30 PM -0600 3/8/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
On Mar 8, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Dan Shoop wrote:
At 5:17 PM -0600 3/7/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:16 PM, Dan Shoop wrote:
At 2:56 PM -0600 3/7/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
Can IP Failover watch two servers instead of one?
How can two servers be up and both have the same IP?
One computer watching two IPs hosted on two separate servers.
If either master downs, the slave takes over. If both down,
we're SOL.
Kinda like RAID 5 for servers.
And if both went down? See the problem?
--
No.
I like RAID 5. The chances of a double failure are low with a
small array of drives. I'm looking into buying an array with
either 12 or 16 drives this summer. I'll want that to have RAID 6
because I'm willing to bet my data on two drives not dying on a boot.
RAID 6? You're joking, right?
I've never had two servers simultaneously crash.
Consider yourself lucky then.
So, the one slave would watch two master, if the slave sees a
failure, it covers for the downed master and stops watching the
other one. When the master comes back up the slave goes back to
watching both.
As I stated previously these aren't really master/slave, they are
two clones one of which is active. The configuration and everything
is supposed to be identical between the active and failto member.
If you have two different servers then one is not the same as the
other.
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From: Dan Shoop <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 1:49:25 PM CST
To: John Easthope <email@hidden>, Eric Berna
<email@hidden>, "email@hidden" <macos-x-
email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DNS issues
At 11:59 AM -0700 3/8/07, John Easthope wrote:
We have looked at this before and the Networking Gods would not
give us
permission to run local DNS servers. (We really want to do this!)
Thanks for
the suggestion though.
Then someone obviously doesn't understand DNS.
Either you've failed to understand how DNS get's cached or they've
not understood that "DNS server" doesn't mean primary.
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From: Marq Speck <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 2:03:27 PM CST
To: <email@hidden>
Subject: FW800 ports not working
Greetings, listers.
Suddenly both FW800 ports on our G5 Dual 2.3 Xserve have gone dumb.
Nothing mounts on them, although everything mounts on the front
FW400 port.
The same devices DO mount on our backup G5 Xserve so I believe the
cables
and externals are fine.
Just started this behaivior - we used those ports last weekend for
backups.
Anything I can try to do or reset?
AppleCare says to swap out the motherboard but that seems quite a
solution
to start with.
Thanks for your time, expertise and bandwidth.
Q
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From: "Patrick Schwisow" <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 2:28:39 PM CST
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: CGI-BIN Permissions Issue..? | .cgi file needs to
extract a gzip
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:16:35, Dan Shoop wrote:
Without knowing what problems you're experiencing, rather than what
you've done and had no affect it makes it difficult. Unfortunatley my
office hae implemented a "no animal entrails in the workplace" policy
so augury attempt to divine what errors you're getting aren't
possible at this time.
It's a pretty strict policy. Around here entrails are fine, but
they must
be stored internally at all times.
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Waukegan Public School District 60
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From: "Patrick Schwisow" <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 2:39:47 PM CST
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: DNS issues
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:24:06, david wrote:
On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:59 PM, John Easthope wrote:
We have looked at this before and the Networking Gods would not
give us
permission to run local DNS servers. (We really want to do this!)
Thanks for
the suggestion though.
Sounds somewhat farcical :(
Perhaps you might suggest that these self-titled (?) Networking
"Gods" should then fix the issues that you
"...occasionally have networking outages from our remote schools
to the
central DNS servers or more commonly the DNS servers just stop
working or responding"
Perhaps the "gods" just created your "universe" and left it up to
you to
figure out how to live in it. Apparently your "universe" is barely
capable of supporting life. If your "prayers" to the "gods" are
not being
answered, I suggest moving to a different "universe".
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From: Don McHose <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 2:40:16 PM CST
To: Marq Speck <email@hidden>, OS X Server List
<email@hidden>
Subject: Re: FW800 ports not working
Fire wire ports can be hosed up ( burned out ) due to poorly made
wiring terminals and a mismatch during a hot plugin.
It is also true that they can also go deaf from time to time for no
reason at all. To jog it back into operation, unplug everything
from your mac. Power , network, USB,Firewire... everything except
video and let the machine sit for 10-15 min.
Now reconnect the essentials~ power and the USB keyboard/mouse and
start up your mac. Your Firewire controller should be now reset. If
that does not work then the Apple tech may have a good point ;-(
Don McHose
On Mar 8, 2007, at 15:03 PM, Marq Speck wrote:
Greetings, listers.
Suddenly both FW800 ports on our G5 Dual 2.3 Xserve have gone dumb.
From: "John C. Welch" <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 2:44:30 PM CST
To: Server Mac <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: SNMP broken on Intel XServers?
On 3/8/07 12:34, "Chris Reimer" <email@hidden> wrote:
Are there any known solutions or workarounds for this problem?
root@intel-xserver# /usr/sbin/snmpd -f -Le -C
init_kmem: kvm_openfiles failed: /dev/mem: No such file or directory
As far as I can see, the snmpd that Apple is shipping simply
doesn't run on Intel Macs/XServers. Is that really possible?
I've seen this same failure on client systems running 10.4.8,
10.4.7, and on a spiffy new XServer (running 10.4.8). snmpd works
fine on G5 systems.
ANY pointers to what's going on here would be GREATLY appreciated...
1) Run sudo snmpconf –i, so that snmp and snmpd are properly
configured.
2) the –C option says “don’t use any config files except what’s
specified by –c, but you don’t have a –c option
3) Use sudo SystemStarter start SNMP since SNMP is in /System/
Library/Startupitems.
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From: "John C. Welch" <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 2:45:50 PM CST
To: Server Mac <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: CGI-BIN Permissions Issue..? | .cgi file needs to
extract a gzip
On 3/8/07 14:28, "Patrick Schwisow"
<email@hidden> wrote:
Without knowing what problems you're experiencing, rather than what
you've done and had no affect it makes it difficult.
Unfortunatley my
office hae implemented a "no animal entrails in the workplace"
policy
so augury attempt to divine what errors you're getting aren't
possible at this time.
It's a pretty strict policy. Around here entrails are fine, but
they must
be stored internally at all times.
yeah, and tea leaves just don't cut it. Entrails rock, but tea
leaves are
the Beavis and Butt-head of augury. All they ever tell you is that
you said
"butt", and then they do that laugh.
Stupid tea leaves.
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From: Jonathan Dobbie <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 2:52:18 PM CST
To: OSXS Server list <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: IP Failover
On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Dan Shoop wrote:
At 12:30 PM -0600 3/8/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
On Mar 8, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Dan Shoop wrote:
At 5:17 PM -0600 3/7/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:16 PM, Dan Shoop wrote:
At 2:56 PM -0600 3/7/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
Can IP Failover watch two servers instead of one?
How can two servers be up and both have the same IP?
One computer watching two IPs hosted on two separate servers.
If either master downs, the slave takes over. If both down,
we're SOL.
Kinda like RAID 5 for servers.
And if both went down? See the problem?
--
No.
I like RAID 5. The chances of a double failure are low with a
small array of drives. I'm looking into buying an array with
either 12 or 16 drives this summer. I'll want that to have RAID
6 because I'm willing to bet my data on two drives not dying on a
boot.
RAID 6? You're joking, right?
For wanting to withstand a double disk failure? No, I'm not. I'm
willing to trade slightly degraded write performance for peace of
mind. And, if we are blessed with ZFS, it'll be much more of a
factor then RAID 5 vs RAID 6.
(For the peanut gallery: RAID 6 is any RAID that can withstand a
simultaneous failure of 2 disks. Log file systems have much better
RAID write performance at the expense of read performance, but
RAIDs have much better read than write performance and read
performance is more easily helped by caching.)
I've never had two servers simultaneously crash.
Consider yourself lucky then.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck"
So, the one slave would watch two master, if the slave sees a
failure, it covers for the downed master and stops watching the
other one. When the master comes back up the slave goes back to
watching both.
As I stated previously these aren't really master/slave, they are
two clones one of which is active. The configuration and
everything is supposed to be identical between the active and
failto member. If you have two different servers then one is not
the same as the other.
--
For one thing, you are making a lot of assumptions, and for another
you're forgetting that all of this is scriptable. Services can be
stopped and started and configuration files moved around before and
after the IP switches. Clusterd didn't make it into Tiger.
Consider the following example:
Two identical servers (homedirs1 and homedirs2) are AFP NAS heads
for a SAN.
tools is a general purpose computer on the same SAN that does
important things, but nothing that will be noticed too quickly
because homedirs1 and homedirs2 share the same storage, all home
directories can be access on either, LDAP is being used to load
balance between them.
Let's keep this simple. tools doesn't normally serve AFP, so it's
configuration is kept in sync with homedirs1 and homedirs2. If our
friendly venomous ocelot wanders in and borks homedirs2, all tools
really needs is the ip and then to launch AFP.
just because the ideal case is one where everything is identical
doesn't mean that it is the only case. And they very much are
master and slave:
failoverd [-d | -n | -x] [-p port] master_priv_addr
I like that after all this, you've said nothing that is at all
helpful to the initial query.
From: Eric Berna <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 3:00:00 PM CST
To: Mac OS X Server list <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: IP Failover
On 3/8/07 1:40 PM, "Dan Shoop" <email@hidden> wrote:
At 12:28 PM -0600 3/8/07, Eric Berna wrote:
On 3/8/07 12:17 PM, "Dan Shoop" <email@hidden> wrote:
At 5:17 PM -0600 3/7/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:16 PM, Dan Shoop wrote:
At 2:56 PM -0600 3/7/07, Jonathan Dobbie wrote:
Can IP Failover watch two servers instead of one?
How can two servers be up and both have the same IP?
One computer watching two IPs hosted on two separate servers. If
either master downs, the slave takes over. If both down,
we're SOL.
Kinda like RAID 5 for servers.
And if both went down? See the problem?
Nope, don't see the problem.
How can two different servers failover to one? If both are down one's
left hanging.
Any computer can have multiple IP addresses.
Yes but we're testing the IP to see if the whole box is down not if
an IP is off the air.
If both masters go down, they should both failover to the slave.
How? You only have one box for both boxes to fall over too.
These aren't masters and slaves this is one active server and one
fallback server. It's a one to one relationship, implied.
The slave
would then be servicing the two down IP addresses.
It's not "servicing an IP address" it's monitoring an IP address to
see if the server with that IP address is stil alive. If it's dead
then it assumes the role of that server.
You're conceptualism of this is completely wrong, hence the woolly
thinking.
No, I think you're conceptualism is too limited.
Imagine this hypothetical situation with Server A as an AFP server,
Server H
as a Web server, Server B as the backup server, and all data is on
a SAN.
Server B can have the same AFP configuration as Server A and the
same Web
server configuration as H. Server B can step in for either server,
or even
both servers. The opposite process happens all the time, when busy
servers
are split into multiple machines to improve performance.
Of course you can't have one slave server taking over for two
differently
configured but same service servers at the same time. (E.g. AFP
server A1
and AFP server A2 couldn't failover to Server B at the same time.)
Yet, if you can write a ProcessFailover script that can properly
configure
the backup server, one backup server could be prepared to take over
for two
different servers. If it does take over for say Server A1, it
should stop
listening for Server A2's heartbeat (the ProcessFailover script
kills all
other instances of failoverd). Then if Server A2 fails, it has no
backup.
The only reason why this wouldn't work is if failoverd can't have
multiple
instances running at the same time. Such a configuration isn't as
good as a
one-to-one master/slave IP failover configuration, but would be much
cheaper.
Also, what's wrong with the phrase "servicing an IP address"? IP
failover
is used to offer high availability of a service to clients at a
particular
IP address. The master and the slave are available to offer a
service at
that IP address. So one or the other is servicing the IP address.
Sure,
it's a casual phrase, but I'm writing for a e-mail discussion list,
not
technical specifications.
Eric Berna
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From: "Greg McMenamin" <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 3:17:29 PM CST
To: <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DNS issues
My question for the group is...
Is there a simple method to make the workstations reliably find
the local
server without making a request to the central DNS servers?
add an entry to each client's host file, perhaps?
It's not elegant and it is certainly not the best solution in terms of
ongoing maintenance, but it should work, shouldn't it?
Greg McMenamin
From: henri <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 3:22:58 PM CST
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: Mac lockups or Blue Screen ( Spotlight )
Sorry this was posted a while ago...
Remove all the font caches.
Consider using a Font Manager ( you may already be using one )
This seems to be a general font cache issue with 10.4.
Also, as others have said, this is probably not the right list for
this question.
Hope that helps.
Henri.
On 9/02/2007, at 4:36 AM, email@hidden wrote:
We are a Desktop Publisher and are getting Macs locking up when
working in
Quark XPress 6.5 or Adobe InDesign CS2. They can just be working
away and
Mac locks up.
Or during Startup, they get the ? Blue Screen ? with Spotlight
showing in
the upper Right Corner.
From: Jacob White <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 3:28:55 PM CST
To: Wayne Wilkin <email@hidden>
Cc: macosx-server List <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Software Update
You might want to check and see if you were running a local
software update server.
Try:
# defaults read com.apple.SoftwareUpdate CatalogURL
On Feb 25, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Wayne Wilkin wrote:
Dual 2 Ghz G5 Server 6 Gig Ram X.4.8
The server currently now is in Massachusetts. It was originally
configured for one of our offices in New York. The New York Office
shut down and I got it. The server only host's mac and windows
file sharing, that's it.
The server is not getting any software updates. When I launch
Software update I a message:
A Network error has occurred unsupported URL (-1002). Make sure
you can connect to the Internet, then try again.
The computer can connect to the Internet, sharing works, users
connect etc. The only thing I can think of is that somewhere there
needs to be a change made to were the computers gets it's IP
information from. I manually changed basic IP information for the
en0 and en1 ports for the new network but I just feel that there
is some hidden Network change that needs to be done, and I just
don't know were that might be, any help would be appreciated,
thanks Wayne.
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Date: March 8, 2007 3:36:15 PM CST
To: Marq Speck <email@hidden>
Cc: email@hidden
Subject: Re: FW800 ports not working
It's very unlikely for both back ports to fail while the front port
keeps working, because the front port is connected to the rear PHY
just like the back ports.
I would suggest a cold power-down - remove AC power (both AC power
cords, if the unit has a spare power supply :-)
If the results are inconclusive, the next step is to reboot the
XServe into TDM and then try connecting it to another Mac, once for
each port.
-Arul
On Mar 8, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Marq Speck wrote:
Greetings, listers.
Suddenly both FW800 ports on our G5 Dual 2.3 Xserve have gone dumb.
Nothing mounts on them, although everything mounts on the front
FW400 port.
The same devices DO mount on our backup G5 Xserve so I believe the
cables
and externals are fine.
Just started this behaivior - we used those ports last weekend for
backups.
Anything I can try to do or reset?
AppleCare says to swap out the motherboard but that seems quite a
solution
to start with.
Thanks for your time, expertise and bandwidth.
Q
Marq Andrew Speck
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From: "CanzoneriK" <email@hidden>
Date: March 8, 2007 3:36:43 PM CST
To: <email@hidden>
Subject: RE: Mac lockups or Blue Screen ( Spotlight )
Try running a tool such as Tiger Cache Cleaner or Main Menu.
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Importance: Low
Sorry this was posted a while ago...
Remove all the font caches.
Consider using a Font Manager ( you may already be using one )
This seems to be a general font cache issue with 10.4.
Also, as others have said, this is probably not the right list for
this question.
Hope that helps.
Henri.
On 9/02/2007, at 4:36 AM, email@hidden wrote:
We are a Desktop Publisher and are getting Macs locking up when
working in
Quark XPress 6.5 or Adobe InDesign CS2. They can just be working
away and
Mac locks up.
Or during Startup, they get the ? Blue Screen ? with Spotlight
showing in
the upper Right Corner.
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