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Re: Speaking of Leopard...

Yes, but many people have access to pre-release versions through
Apple's various seed channels. Apple is known to seed a number of
builds of operating systems throughout the development cycle.

You don't get it, do you.

I do. You're being condescendingly obstructive and trying to make some
sort of point.

No: No-one here can discuss something that falls under a very strict NDA.

I am not governed by any NDA, I signed no documents and made no verbal agreements not to discuss anything so tell me why I can't discuss Leopard or how apple can force upon me to accept and be bound by these terms.

You give them authority over yourself and that's your choice but please don't give them authority over anyone else unless you have specific permission from those individuals to do so because most people don't like others giving away freedoms without the authorization to do so.

You're correct, but if you discuss anything based on personal experience and not simply what has been publicly discussed in publicly-accessible forums and web sites, then you are only doing so because you would have gained access to the software illegally (in most jurisdictions).

That said, go for it: try to start having in depth conversations about Leopard and see how long it takes you to get booted (or someone to get you booted) from this list, or at least warned by the moderator. And yes, they can do that, and no, you have no right or standing to remain a member of this list.

What is appropriate is for some on this list to stop fishing for info that no-one can tell you.

That's what you need to get. That's it, that's all. Anyone who knows, can't say. Period.

That is pure bu!!sh!t, only those who agreed to be controlled by the NDA can't say.

All apple can do is reject the posting of any message to the list that contains Leopard information that they don't want made public and in rejecting such posts they affect some basic human rights so rejecting it because they have the power to do so or rejecting because they want to keep it a secret might open them up to a lawsuit (currently being challenged - electronic mail tampering).

This is humorous, if somewhat sad. Apple can reject ANY postings it desired from ANY list, and this has nothing to do with basic human rights or email tampering, and WILL NOT open Apple to any (valid) lawsuits. (Though, this list is not currently on moderation and thus won't be able to reject any particular postings.)

- Dave
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 >Re: Speaking of Leopard... (From: *Pax* <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Speaking of Leopard... (From: Jaime Magiera <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Speaking of Leopard... (From: Jaime Magiera <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Speaking of Leopard... (From: Maximilian Sichart <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Speaking of Leopard... (From: Jaime Magiera <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Speaking of Leopard... (From: "Finlay Dobbie" <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Speaking of Leopard... (From: Jaime Magiera <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Speaking of Leopard... (From: "Finlay Dobbie" <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Speaking of Leopard... (From: david <email@hidden>)
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