I'd just like to agree with the original poster instead of outcasting
him like some would prefer... (leopard server has plently of issues).
Personally, I would never use OSX Leopard Server in a production
environment. I've had my share of issues, no doubt.. but as far as
stability goes Linux or FreeBSD is where my production environment
lives. Why you ask? Simply because I don't have to rely on a
mostly-closed source company for my patches and the delay this poses
for production.
To give credit where credit is due.. Apple is on the right track, but
quite simply they just do not have the experience in providing
business class services. Microsoft has a big head start and you would
think that they would learn from all their scraped knees and elbows..
Doesn't look like it. Apple seems to learn quite quickly and has a far
superior unix OS compared to MS. They just need to get the wisdom that
comes from nothing short of experience.
Will they get there? I think so.. Do I have time to grow with them and
all their growing pains? No way. Not when I can use Linux or FreeBSD.
Not since 1997 have I had a problem with Linux or FreeBSD that I
couldn't fix with the help of the FOSS community.
-Mike
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 3:24 PM, John C. Welch <email@hidden> wrote:
> On 03/07/2008 16:24 PM, "Angus Fox" <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> >>> lack of IE browser compatibility in wiki/blog.
> >>
> >> As if IE works?
> >>
> >
> > Your point is? I hate IE but most of my web site hits come from it and
> > like King Canute I just cant stop that from happening no matter how much
> > I command it.
>
> That's funny, 90% of my Wiki users are on IE, and nary a problem. Perhaps if
> you were to, oh, I don't know, list specific issues, you might get some
> actual solutions.
>
> But I don't think you particularly want solutions in this case, because then
> they make your rant of no value.
>
>
> >
> >>> 10.5 seems to me to have a very broken network client too.
> >>
> >> THE network client? Yeah, there's just one thing that connects to all
> >> things network.
> >
> > I detect some smug perception of uber tech knowledge. I qualified to say
> > copying to Windows servers.. I couldn't care less how many pieces of
> > technology are underneath it if they are broken. Call me old fashioned
> > but broken is broken.
>
> Broken how? Again, I'm not seeing "broken" in Mac OS X 10.5 any more than I
> did in Mac OS X 10.4.
>
> Call me old fashioned, but saying there's a problem without any details
> means you want a magic spell, not an actual solution.
>
>
> >
> >>> Perhaps its just me
> >>
> >> Ya think?
> >
> > Im offering an opportunity to say to this community that I dont know
> > everything. Im also posting here in the full knowledge that people like
> > you will reply in quite a disdainful way. Well so be it but Im a
> > customer too, and presumably Apple would like more widespread adoption
> > of OS X server. If they do then they need to hear voices like mine. If
> > they dont then they only need to hear from you of course. They should
> > also put on the box 'please dont buy this software unless youre
> > qualification has been endorsed by the OS X Server guru club or you
> > won't be worthy'
>
> How about "Please provide actual useful details on your problems so that the
> other members of this list have something to go on other than "THIS SUCKS!"
>
> I cannot speak for your world, but in mine, "THIS SUCKS" is not useful data,
> unless it's coming from a 4 year old, or an episode of "Beavis and
> Butt-head"
>
>
> >
> >>> but I used to in 10.4 be able to copy things to a windows server
> >> Like I can under Leopard?
> >
> > Im glad you can. I cant. Does that make you better?
>
> It makes his description worth exactly what yours was: Nothing. Again,
> details? Neither you or the OP provided a single.bit.of.useful.data.
>
> That makes it a rant, and if you're going rant, then put that in the
> subject, so it can be properly deleted and ignored. If you want actual help,
> then use your grownup words, and provide useful technical information to the
> list. You'll get better results that way.
>
> However, if this is how you go about getting help, then I'd prefer you go
> back to whatever environment wherein useless rants with no informational
> value magically result in useful answers to unstated problems. It seems a
> better fit.
> --
> John C. Welch Writer/Analyst
> Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions
> email@hidden
>
>
>
>
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