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Re: 10.5 Server sucks, 10.5 sucks




On 10 Mar 2008, at 21:50, John C. Welch wrote:

On 03/10/2008 14:42 PM, "David Stodolsky"
<email@hidden> wrote:

Is there a specific problem here, with perhaps specific
informational items,
or just Apple didn't read your mind.

Silent failure of the Standard Install and later the VPN doesn't turn on as was requested during the Install.

And what steps did you take to troubleshoot?

See error message below.

Make sure brain is engaged, before putting mouth in gear ;-)







Since DNS config. is the first item on the agenda, it is easier to do
an Erase and Install, in practice. Seeing as the error messages tend
to be opaque, even determining what is wrong would likely take longer
than starting over. So, you have a theoretical point, but in practice
it doesn't apply.

I dunno. DNS outages generate some very specific errors in my experience.

Sure: Jan 10 10:33:05 WI named1020: /etc/dns/publicView.conf.apple:1: undefined ACL 'example.com'

Doesn't matter, if you could spot this as being a DNS problem, as
opposed to a disk problem. Reinstalling was the only way out.
According to Support, Open Directory is populated with crap during a
Standard Install, if the DNS name is off. And even if that could be
fixed, it would still take a lot of time on the command line to fix
the DNS and make sure everything else was right.

Or, you could make sure your DNS was right BEFORE you start. Prior Planning
Prevents Poor Performance.

Good manuals allow Prior Planning.

The distinction between internal (to OS X Server) and external DNS is crucial to understanding what is going on here. It was explained earlier.




Yesterday, I tried again to start an Advanced Configuration, with point and click instructions in front of me. A single error meant I had to do an Erase and Install. But this was only after the Server Admin DNS tool "fixed" the error, and "host" and "changeip" on the command line confirmed all was well. Can you say, "Human interface from Hell"?

Why would you have to change the IP address immediately after the install?

changeip -checkhostname

What I want to know is why did "host" and this give an all clear and
then a lookup from a client showed a faulty nameserver entry. It was
still "ns" even though that had been replaced in Server Admin.

I know *how*. That's not the question asked. The question asked is *why* you
would have to change the IP immediately after the install.

changeip -checkhostname

doesn't change the IP.

Try man changeip ;-)

I have a compact way of expressing myself, but shouldn't someone at your level immediately grok a verbatim command line?


Read first, think, then respond. It is easy and saves time:

"changeip" on the command line *confirmed* all was well





That's a fairly abnormal situation, and reeks of really bad preinstall
planning. That's one of the reasons Apple provides a worksheet, so
that you
can have various bits of information, like the correct IP address in
front
of you. Can you say "You're leaving out quite a few pertinent details
there"?




Note that I am just trying to duplicate a 10.2 configuration that has
been running fine for years.

It is entirely possible to successfully duplicate a functional configuration
without doing it the way you did, and saving oneself a lot of pain.

Your statement doesn't relate to actual events.
I remember explaining in detail what I did, the network configuration, etc. etc.








Please reread qualifications in order to avoid foot-in-mouth disease;-)

I'm not the one unable to successfully set up Mac OS X 10.5 Server.

Please to explain why duplicating an existing configuration would require
you to immediately use the same IP, when there are a host of rather obvious
reasons why this is a Very Silly Thing To Do, among them:


Which is why I didn't do it. When I said 'duplicate', that referred to functionality, not to specific IP numbers, etc. One has the hope that a 10.5 Server will do everything that a 10.2 Server does, at least. The point was that extensive planning wasn't necessary, since the general approach had been used for a long time.


dss


David Stodolsky email@hidden Skype: davidstodolsky



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