On Mar 26, 2008, at 8:54 PM, Jerry L. Blackmon II wrote:
On Mar 26, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Paul Teeter wrote:
I'm going to hazard the assumption that denigrating the command
line as you
appear to be doing is not going to win you many friends here.
That wasn't directed at you, I just hit reply to your message and
didn't edit the to list.
That directs it at them. Your failures at courtesy or diligence to
make sure you post properly aren't helping your case. Instead you're
becoming a time sink and "wast[ing] time we could have spent on
another question more interesting and another person more worthy of an
answer." -Eric S. Raymond
I don't come here looking for friends, I come looking for information
You don't need to come looking for friends but the history of your
posts on this list past and present have generally ben categorized as
pissing over things and then expecting everyone will be so pleased
you've got bladder flow that they'll flock to provide the latter.
I just think if Apple provides a GUI tool to do the same thing, the
tool should not break what it's trying to configure;
Rather than rant please cite something at issue, with pertinent
details. Maybe someone you've not insulted will wish to help.
I'm an old vet at internet flame wars (from the Beleaguered Apple
days of the late 90s), so I'm not afraid to get into a little dust up.
I never realized being around since the late '90's made you an old
Internet vet. And Apple flamewars are very tame.
However the fact that you consider stirring up dust is in itself a
disturbingly bad approach to productive discussion and dialog.
Considering you do claim to be such a seasoned vet then you've learned
long ago how to best work with others on lists to get their assistance.
Remember you want to entice other list members to wish to help you.
Remember also that we are not hear to solve your technical problems or
as targets for your gripes about how software X doesn't do Y in manner
Z that you prefer. If you want a feature not present in something and
that you think will be the better mousetrap for the world then by all
means write it and the world will applaud you for doing so.
Read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and pay very
close attention to those opening words "the kind of answers you get to
your technical questions depends ... much on the way you ask the
questions."
While I agree that Directory Utility can and often does 'just
work', the
dsconfigldap (dsconfigad) tool is often far more verbose when
directory
binding fails. Furthermore, quite often the command line is the
only or at
least most convenient way to, oh I don't know, restart a service in
debug
mode so it will log the errors you are seeing with more detail.
True, Console will work for viewing such logs. I just like tail
more, call
me a cave dwelling troll.
Wow, a helpful response from someone who actually read the message.
Thanks.
And snidely insulting to the person trying to provide that help.
My comment was simple. Please don't SHOUT when you email the
list. We get
it, you're exasperated.
I wasn't shouting, I wrote in all caps for emphasis.
/Emphasis/ can be *expressed* in _numerous_ways_ ~without~ having to
SHOUT.
-dhan
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Dan Shoop
Computer Scientist
iWiring / U.S. Technical Services
