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Re: 10.5.3: Server Mail gets even worse, kills incoming SMTP



The GUI tools are not, nor ever have been 100% replacement for knowing what's going on.

True. Apple, however, markets Server as a GUI to set up a basic server, without going under the hood. If one wanted to just use the Terminal, fine, but then there would be no point in marketing the GUI. I don't want to do sophisticated set ups, Just getting three e-mail accounts to work with virtual domains would be sufficient. The GUI can't do it.


I should note that the web side of things is much better behaved.

That's part of being a sysadmin/

It's all a question of degree. If you sell a GUI and market it as what is needed for a simple set up, the product should work as advertised and documented. Currently, it does not, even for three e-mail accounts. I've reïnstalled the OS oh-so-carefully over 15 times to be sure it's not me. Just getting those three accounts to work is beyond it.


The command line is ...an incredibly powerful tool that allows you to do
things you would be hard-put to do as easily with the GUI alone.

Given the advertising, marketing, and documentation, setting up three e-mail accounts is not a sophisticated set up and should be possible using the GUI. I'm not asking much, here.


Of course, you have a support contract with Apple, right?

Right. $5,000 to $50,000 for a bug in a $600 product. If this were about my attempting a sophisticated set up, I'd agree with you. But my beef with Apple is about getting the product to work as advertised. And I'm certainly not the only one to have run across similar issues with Apple. I have a friend who for a long time relied on Tiger Server and is poised to go back to it, given the problems he has experienced with it.


My very simple expectations are reasonable, given how the product is sold. I'm not expecting my server to fly me to the moon. The day I want it to do that, I'll take a lot of sysadmin courses. Until then, the GUI, according to the documentation, is sufficient for my needs. It's all about reasonableness, and I'm only asking a very little of the software.

T.
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