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Re: 10.5.3: Server Mail gets even worse, kills incoming SMTP




On May 30, 2008, at 9:13 AM, Trevor Jacques wrote:

Anyone have any ideas why this might be the culprit in 10.5.3, but not in 10.5.2?
This is entirely wrong from the premise. There's nothing wrong with this "line" in *any* postfix installation, by itself.

I was not speaking of the line or of postfix, themselves. I was noting that there is a change in behaviour from one version of Server to the next. For me, Server is the glue between the Open- Source products, and is used to modify the settings of the Open- Source products. Server is the bit that Apple coded, over and above the Open-Source products enclosed in Apple's 'wrapper' (I do understand that Apple also did other things with Server, but they are beyond the scope of this issue).


If I did not want this GUI or other elements of the 'glue,' I could have used Mac OS as a standard Unix machine with the command line. But, that's not why I was attracted to Server. It was the what the GUI did (is supposed to do) that was/is the attraction, since all I wanted was a simple set up with five virtual domains and all of two users (but that's not the topic of this thread).

For the moment, to speak to this line:

smtp      inet  n       -       n       -       -       smtpd

I have now confirmed that 10.5.2 did NOT uncomment this line when setting SMTP to allow Incoming mail AND there existed a line(s) in master.cf to replace it. 10.5.3 uncomments the line (I've now done repeated testing on this to prove it beyond any shadow of doubt). One can watch it happen 'live' in BBEdit. It makes no difference whether there exist(s) other line(s) in the master.cf file to accept mail on other ports. 10.5.3 is different from 10.5.2 in that the former observes and reports only the above line, not other lines that identify the use of other port(s) by postfix.

This is a significant change to the way the GUI works from one version of Server to another, and may explain why several people have reported the problem to the discussion list. Anyone seeing that the checkbox has been unchecked would reasonably check it and Save. This would turn on port 25 for postfix by uncommenting the line above, even though 10.5.2 would not uncomment the line when the 'change' was Saved.

The GUI in 10.5.3 now presents a discrepancy between the way posfix is actually working and what the Mail > Settings > Allow Incoming Mail check box indicates. It seems that, rather than provide in the GUI a means for us to set the port for postfix to use, Apple in 10.5.3 has changed the way the checkbox indicates what postfix is doing: 10.5.3 seems to now only indicate whether port 25 (only) is active (in that the above line is un/commented).

It also implies that anyone else, like Jason Pruim, who uses assp could easily run into this problem. We will have to remember NOT to inadvertently 'correct' the 'problem' displayed in the 10.5.3 GUI. :-/

T.

It sounds to me as if 10.5.3 is doing exactly what it should do under the circumstances - and there's probably lots of people out there who consider it to be an improvement over the previous behavior. The _only_ reason it doesn't work for you is because you changed something _outside_ of the GUI. I doubt that there is any GUI available anywhere for Postfix/Cyrus et al that can correctly interpret and display all the possible permutations of available settings - it's probably impossible.
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