True, but bear in mind that 10.5.2 worked fine in this regard.
Yes, but that was just luck.
Quite possibly, but at that time, how can one know? ;-)
You introduced a mail configuration change outside the scope of the
GUI tools by hand-editing the config file, and then continued to
expect the GUI tools to function properly.
Fair comment. As it happens, the way the GUI displays the SMTP
Incoming changed between 10.5.2. I can live with that, now that I
know what had changed, and why.
As to uncommenting the smpts line in the config. (simply the removal
of the leading #), it, too, is not a huge change and one that many on
the list must have done. 10.5.2 allowed this cleanly. 10.5.3 produces
errors in the log. Changing the clean-after-the-update /etc/services
file port 465/tcp to smtps prevents the warning, which would seem to
imply there is a third element in the mix for this issue. I'm not
really concerned what it is, provided that I can get smpts to work.
:-)
]You were skating on thin ice the first time you loaded the Mail
settings view in Server Admin after editing the file...
To an extent. In effect, I changed one word in the config. to change
the port postfix uses. Many on the list have done that. It's not a
huge deviation from default mail serving. It did not result in the
GUI breaking in 10.5.2, but it does in 10.5.3, so it's no surprise
that some people might be confused by the change. I see no need for
list members to rudely dismiss such confusion, as some CLI-using
members have done (your message being one of the more balanced and
actually helpful ones). This is a help list, after all, so lack of
and misunderstanding should be assumed to be present in questions.
If Apple published documentation of every change to the OS that
*might* affect somebody based on any possible permutation of any
possible configuration of every service that ships on Server, you
would probably still be reading ;)
True, but a simple motherhood statement in the installation notes
would have been nice. :-/
I might recommend to either a) stick to the GUI and the relatively
few Apple sanctioned hand edits,
Changing the postix port and turning on smtps would not seem to be
extreme changes, but there is a valid argument that that so doing
might break the GUI. As I have found, even small changes can break
the GUI and that the behaviour of the GUI can change under
circumstances of even small changes to the config. file.
or b) use the CLI to hand edit to your heart's content, but don't
expect any Server Admin / serveradmin functionality for the relevant
service.
I'd rather that the GUI work. It's what Apple sells and I decided to
get. Yes, there's all that CLI under the hood, but Apple sells the
GUI, as much as others see it as providing a *nix CLI. The OS GUI is
Apple's contribution to open-source Unix, and Server Admin is Apple's
contribution to open-source Internet programmes.
after you have introduced valid hand edits, ...it's important to
understand that this is usually an unsupported thing to do
Understood.
I might even opine that the existence of your expectation of this
level of functionality suggests that it does actually work pretty
well most of the time, even when it's not supposed to ;)
;-)
T.
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