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Re: delivery on GCC 3.3 (was Re: Precompiled Headers and gcc3.3)

Rob Lockstone wrote:
| According to Devang Patel at Apple:
|
| On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 07:59 PM, Devang Patel wrote:
|
| > Apple GCC 3.3 included in June 2003 Developer Tools release is GM
| > version. It is ready for prime time.

As I've noted, I got that *after* I posted. At the time, all that was known was "it's beta".


| Maybe the "June 2003 Developer Tools release" mentioned by Devang is
| something different from what can be downloaded from the ADC site.

Perhaps so. The ADC site lists what I'm referring to as the "Dec 2002 gcc Updater", not the "June 2003 Developer Tools release". The Apple web site page describing the Xcode preview (http://developer.apple.com/tools/) also calls it the "December 2002 gcc Updater". If there is somewhere a reference to the updater as the "June 2003 Developer Tools release", I have yet to find it. On the other hand, Xcode itself, which are the new Developer Tools, and are the only ones mentioned on the http://developer.apple.com/tools/ page (there's no mention of PB that I can find), *has* a June 2003 release (and, with the April 2002 PB, there's precedent for calling a beta a "release"), so it's quite plausible that "June 2003 Developer Tools release" refers to the Xcode preview.


| But the download on the ADC page is dated June 21, 2003. Just 5 days
| before Devang's email to this list. I think it is reasonable to
| assume that what is posted on the ADC site is GM, not Beta.

As beta software is *regularly* posted to the ADC site--and, indeed, is posted there as I write:

Final Cut Pro 4 XML Beta 1
QuickTime for Java 6.1a1 (alpha, even)
Java 1.4.1 Update DP102
Mac OS X 10.2.6 Update Build 6L60
Mac OS X 10.2.5 Update Build 6L29
Mac OS X 10.2.4 Update Build 6I32
NFS Update 6I202
April 2002 Mac OS X 10.1 Developer Tools (Betas)

I *don't* think it's reasonable at all to assume that. Indeed, the ADC site is the primary distribution mechanism for beta software these days, as Apple seems to have discontinued the "seed CD" mailing.

The list for an Online membership generally won't contain the beta software (the above list was assembled using a Select membership), but currently an Online member sees

QuickTime for Java 6.1a1 (alpha, even)
Java 1.4.1 Update DP102
April 2002 Mac OS X 10.1 Developer Tools (Betas)

so even for an Online member, explicitly beta software is visible at this very moment.

On the other hand, as the release notes keep calling the Updater a "prerelease" and say such things as

While there are no known major bugs in this pre-release, it is expected
that many bugs remain to be discovered. One purpose of this limited
pre-release is to provide certain developers the opportunity to
discover bugs relevant to their code, and to discover them early enough
that they may be fixed before release.

while saying in its defense only

Many bugs have been resolved in gcc 3.3 both by the gnu community and by
the Apple compiler team. Internal compiler testing has broader coverage
than in the past.

it sounds very *much* like it's a beta release. In the absence of an explicit statement that the compiler was *not* beta--a statement that hadn't been made at the time I wrote--I don't see that there's any reasonable conclusion *but* that the compiler is a beta release, and that it should be treated accordingly.


| Unless Devang is a troll, of course. :-)

Apple, as an Equal Opportunity Employer, is surely allowed to hire any species they choose.

Glen Fisher
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