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Re: User Spaces vs. Generic Spaces




On May 12, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Graeme Gill wrote:

Haroon Sheikh wrote:

DeviceRGB, CMYK, & Gray color spaces are deprecated. You should always


I'm alarmed to hear this. It seems that you will be breaking applications
that need to access device colorspaces for the purposes of calibration
and profiling.

Let me clarify something. At last year's WWDC, we deprecated DeviceXXX colorspaces. We had plans to introduce new colorspaces for the common cases that people used DeviceXXX.
- A display colorspace for offscreen bitmap creation. (there is some simple sample code to do this already though)
- UnCalibratedXXX colorspaces for exactly the case that you want (but this is a very special need)


Unfortunately neither of these were made public by the time Tiger shipped. So in Tiger, DeviceXXX colorspaces are really not officially deprecated, because the replacements weren't ready. My comments above for deprecation were really to get people to move off of DeviceRGB as it is not needed for the majority of cases. We've been saying so since 10.0 and would like people to tag their data always.

So how do I create a test chart in device colorspace to characterize
a printer ?
Even without the deprecation of DeviceRGB colorspace issue above, this has not exactly been possible, because PDF documents on Mac OS X will never write out Device colors and will replace source Device colors with Generic. There has never been a mechanism available to write out Device colors in PDF documents. Because PDF is the spool file format on OS X, it's the only way to get your data to the printer. The UnCalibratedXXX colorspaces were meant to allow developers to generate PDFs with DeviceXXX colors. Until they are available, the recommendation was to tag your data with the colorspace of the destination device.

If one wants to avoid color matching, use the colorspace of the destination device, if you know it.


This seems to be a unreliable way of handling calibration and profiling.


It's known for instance, that many print drivers do not reliably
return the actual profile they will use for a particular print mode,
therefore matching the colorspace of the destination doesn't seem possible.


It also makes calibration and profiling "fragile". It would be too easy
to get the wrong profile, and result in creating a new invalid profile.


If you create a test chart tagged with the current printer profile for instance,
print it, create a profile and install it, then the saved test chart will
no longer be usable for profiling. It will have to be re-generated with the
new profile.


If a test chart is tagged with as being in device space, then
it will always be valid.

Understood, and the new UnCalibratedXXX were meant to address some of this. Tagging with the destination space is still the interim solution.



Graeme Gill.
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 >User Spaces vs. Generic Spaces (From: "R. Scott Thompson" <email@hidden>)
 >Re: User Spaces vs. Generic Spaces (From: Brendan Younger <email@hidden>)
 >Re: User Spaces vs. Generic Spaces (From: Haroon Sheikh <email@hidden>)
 >Re: User Spaces vs. Generic Spaces (From: Graeme Gill <email@hidden>)



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