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Re: Safari and WYSIWYG Editing (TinyMCE)




Thank you Mark, I think you make a very valid point, users do not care about specifications.


And you are also right, the Midas specification is what MS and Mozilla follow, we have also heard Opera is lookin into implementing it.

Im not exactly sure of the history behind this, but it seems like MS implemented designMode and Mozilla made a specification about it? I do agree that it is not yet complete, and I don't know how active the Mozilla team is in terms of finishing it.

If you are discounting the Midas Specification, then there would be no WYSIWYG support in Safari at all, but as it is now, its only "half" done. Im not exactly sure where the dev team got the designMode spec they are working off now? And what is a standard? Only w3c can make standards? The fact is that MS and Mozilla both have support for this (altho they have differences in interpretation/implementation) kind of makes it a standard in my opinion.

"I can't even find a spec for this one. Does this do something different than the standard DOM appendChild?"

A HTML selection does not follow the rules of DOM, a user can select text that span part nodes, inside nodes, nested nodes etc.

Regards,
Joakim Lindkvist
Moxiecode Systems



Mark Montague wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Scott Reynen wrote:



I can't speak to all of them, but for a few of your problems, the
spec was developed independently by Microsoft for use in IE, and is
not a standard. You can't expect other browser vendors to support
every random thing MS decides to stick in their browsers. That's why
we have web standards. If you're aiming for a cross-browser
application, I would recommend sticking to those standards.



Midas is a de facto standard supported not only by Microsoft, but also by the Mozilla Foundation for Gecko-based browsers:

http://www.mozilla.org/editor/midas-spec.html

Note that the problems in the original message are not unique
to the TinyMCE WYSIWYG editor.  They also occur when using
HTMLarea (http://www.dynarch.com/projects/htmlarea/) and Kupu
(http://kupu.oscom.org/), which is additional evidence that
the problems lie with Safari's incomplete support of Midas.

But, to move this to a more practical level:  currently
Safari lacks good WYSIWYG editing support.  This impairs
the usability of Safari with blogs, wikis, request tracking
systems, and middleware applications that support WYSIWYG
editing.  Users will neither know or care about standards;
what they will know is that their favorite web-based services
currently work with both MSIE and Firefox, but not with Safari.
Please, Apple, fix this!

Finally, I'd like to thank the TinyMCE development team
at moxiecode.com for doing their best to make the most
of the limited Midas support currently in Safari.  They
have taken TinyMCE much further than either HTMLarea or
Kupu in this regard.  I really appreciate their efforts.

               Mark Montague
               The University of Michigan
               email@hidden




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