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Re: leeches?

Being one of the "grumpier" contributors to this list, always going on about how awful the loss of WOBuilder has been, and how Eclipse is a pain to use by comparison, I have to say a few words.

I think it is absolutely awesome how much work Mike has put into WOLips, and always with a very high quality, and always moving in a very useful direction. If we can extrapolate the past couple of months, in about a month WOLips will be better than the EOLed Apple tools in every way. Instead of whining about Awful Apple, Mike Schrag et al threw themselves into doing something about it, with enthusiasm and determination. By doing so they generated a level of excitement and optimism that I have never before seen in the WebObjects community-- and I have been part of it since WO 4.5.

So my comment to the poster who started this flame: start thinking of people on mailing lists (and contributors to open-source software) as human beings. What they do is to be admired. If you don't like what they do, do it yourself. The days are long gone when we could usefully complain about "them" (anonymous corporations) and their lack of responsiveness to our individual needs. We are now empowered in an unprecedented way-- by our own efforts. If you are not willing to contribute to this process, please refrain from impugning those who do.

A few clichés spring to mind: if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem; if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen; etc...

Just some thoughts from one of the grateful leeches.

Regards
Thomas

On 31/10/2007, at 6:24 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote:

On 31.10.2007, at 00:29, Mike Schrag wrote:

Now I'm just grumpy. I'm off to watch The Daily Show ...

Hey Mike! Some people here actually appreciate what your doing! There could be some more features here and there, but we know that you are a bit lazy so we don't push too hard ... ;-)

Actually: You saved hours of my life with your work, and I know what I'm talking about. Having it shortly after one in the morning and still working. Without the stuff all you guys put into WOLips - I wouldn't be able to do that work as I do it know. Not with Xcode, not with WO Builder, not with EOModeler - not nearly as good and fast.

So, don't be grumpy, because one new guy doesn't think before he writes.

Thanks again and thumbs up!
Guido

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