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Re: X11 behavior since Tiger and "BadAtom" datapoint




On Jun 14, 2006, at 2:35 PM, Mike Zuhl wrote:

If the error goes away then it's SSH to blame.

Yep. Pretty weird! You would think that if ssh had a problem it would show up elsewhere,
too.


Other datapoints:
3) The "BadAtom" happens on commands to the window manager, e.g,. "xwininfo"
- Also on TclTk, which uses X11 server atoms for IPC
- Regular screen traffic seems unaffected
(i.e., "xwininfo" would be a good tool for testing this bug)
4) FreeBSD 5.3 likes ssh tunneling just fine.
5) Sun users have reported a similar problem. There is a decent chance that
their version of ssh is somewhat old, like FreeBSD 4.2
6) Pre-Tiger, FreeBSD 4.2 liked ssh tunneling just fine, too.


So it seems that there was a change, perhaps inadvertent, to ssh that was not entirely
compatible with older ssh servers. New ssh clients talk to new servers just fine,
old ssh clients talked to old servers just fine, but new clients talking to old servers
cause X protocol screw-ups.


Since Mac OS, FreeBSD, and probably Sun all use ssh from the same open-source code
base, I think this is an issue with that code base and has nothing to do with Apple.
If so, it should show up elsewhere, e.g., old Sun app talking to a fresh Linux
console. Anyone have the setup to test this assumption?


Have you tried the -Y option to ssh?

Nope. My read is that's just authorization which isn't the issue here. Also, as soon
as I got my tools to work, I got on to paying work :-).
--Mike Zuhl

You NEED to try this option. It sounds EXACTLY like a security problem to me. Every X client that connects to your Mac OS X box is assumed to be "untrusted" unless you use -Y to circumvent this. Only "trusted" clients can do certain actions. The error messages I have seen caused by this include "OpenGL is not installed", which you wouldn't connect with security either unless you understand what's going on.


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